Gospel of Liberty?

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I read this quote on an internet site. “I see it so clearly in the commentaries of Luther, Huss, wycliffe, Adams, Washington, Jefferson, Webster, wilberforce, etc etc — all of these men distilled their radical concepts of human liberty and freedom from the new testament which is a lightning rod against the divine right of human kings model.” I don’t seen in the New Testament our Lord teaching about “human liberty and freedom.” Any comments?
 
I read this quote on an internet site. “I see it so clearly in the commentaries of Luther, Huss, wycliffe, Adams, Washington, Jefferson, Webster, wilberforce, etc etc — all of these men distilled their radical concepts of human liberty and freedom from the new testament which is a lightning rod against the divine right of human kings model.” I don’t seen in the New Testament our Lord teaching about “human liberty and freedom.” Any comments?
Human or religious liberty and freedom? No sane person can support total human liberty. They all supported freedom from Catholicism. I doubt that the Protestant reformers supported religious freedom in general.

I’m not sure if the New Testament can be used either for or against religious freedom, but it certainly does not support total human liberty.
 
I read this quote on an internet site. “I see it so clearly in the commentaries of Luther, Huss, wycliffe, Adams, Washington, Jefferson, Webster, wilberforce, etc etc — all of these men distilled their radical concepts of human liberty and freedom from the new testament which is a lightning rod against the divine right of human kings model.” I don’t seen in the New Testament our Lord teaching about “human liberty and freedom.” Any comments?
To me, this is all very complicated.

Evangelicals/Protestants of conservative/fundamentalistic stripe in the U.S.A. have a very unique way of reading history.

Our best Catholic historians would have much to disagree with in their interpretations.

Also, the very best of the fair and neutral secular historians constantly show the historical facts and views of these Evangelicals/Protestants to be very faulty.

You could read a lot about all this, but do you really have time for that?

If you are Catholic and want to remain Catholic, why not study the Catholic doctrines pertaining to religious liberty, human dignity, human rights, social doctrine (which include principles of moral economic systems), liberty in general, and forms of government in general.

Evangelicals/Protestants of conservative/fundamentalistic stripe in the U.S.A. have made a sort of cult and idol out of “Liberty.”

Ever notice that our national symbol is “Lady Liberty,” and how THAT lady is not the Blessed Virgin Mary? The designer of the Statue of Liberty was a French man who was a Freemason. In those days, Freemasons were fiercely anti-Catholic (perhaps they still are). France in those days was engulfed in the spirit of the French Revolution (perhaps they still are), which was diabolically anti-Catholic. The lady who is depicted in the Status of Liberty, though unnamed, is clearly modeled on the pagan goddesses of ancient Rome and Greece (Diana, Athena, etc.). If America had been a Catholic country, we would never have put up a statue dedicated to “Liberty” in the first place, but rather to God, or Jesus, or the Blessed Virgin Mary, or to Righteousness, or Holiness, or Virtue, or Charity, or Our Lady of Guadalupe, Empress of the Americas.

Sadly, Evangelicals/Protestants of conservative/fundamentalistic stripe in the U.S.A. are more paganized than they realize.

They imagine that the U.S. Constitution and the Declaration of Independence are Christian documents. But any critical reading of them shows how that view simply doesn’t hold up, for a whole variety of reasons.

Here’s just one bit of evidence: A year or two after the Declaration of Independence was issued, the new government of the USA adopted an official government seal, and picked, as the two phrases on that seal two quotes from the Latin pagan author named Virgil. Those two phrases appear today on the back of every one dollar bill. Note that they did not pick Bible verses or even “In God we trust” to put on the official seal. The Founders conceived themselves are creating a government similar to the ancient pagan Roman Republic/Empire. They did take as their model either Christian governments of Europe (existing at that time, or earlier), or the ancient Hebrew governments.

In general, I feel that the path of the Evangelicals/Protestants of conservative/fundamentalistic stripe in the U.S.A. is a dark alley leading just to more darkness. They are everywhere. On TV, on the radio, on the Internet, in national organizations acting for change. A Catholic can’t avoid hearing their views. They seem to be very sure of their righteousness and their correctness in their views. They lead people to think that to be a true American Patriot you also have to be an Evangelical/Protestant of conservative/fundamentalistic stripe. They can be very persuasive. They are a force to be reckoned with. But, in my view, their way is NOT CHRIST’S WAY. We have a way. We have the Holy Church. I recommend not straying off the ranch to sample enticing fruits in foreign lands. Remember what happened in the Garden of Eden!
 
We have liberty in the sense that we are not under the legalism of the old Law, nor do we earn our salvation. But we are under Christ’s Law, and we need the Sacraments. But where non-sacramental churches get it wrong is to assume that receiving Sacraments are works that we do, instead they are the instruments given by Christ in which we receive graces. And our devotion to living a life of holiness is not our way of working our way into Heaven, but its our responsibility that we all have and we should glady strive to be the people that God has created us to be.
 
I read this quote on an internet site. “I see it so clearly in the commentaries of Luther, Huss, wycliffe, Adams, Washington, Jefferson, Webster, wilberforce, etc etc — all of these men distilled their radical concepts of human liberty and freedom from the new testament which is a lightning rod against the divine right of human kings model.” I don’t seen in the New Testament our Lord teaching about “human liberty and freedom.” Any comments?
According to Matthew, the first words our Lord spoke in his public ministry were about freedom from captivity and liberation from slavery.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
(Luke 4:18-19)


Jesus was quoting Isaiah.

The entire history of Israel was one of opression by kings, both foreign and their own. Release from captivity is one of the central themes of the Old Testament and the release from slavery in Egypt was the central event in the Jewish religion and the defining event in Jewish history.

I don’t know anything about the ideas of the men in the quote above, but the idea of release from slavery and liberty from opression is central to the Jewish theology and our own, and is a fundamental part of Christ’s mission.

-Tim-
 
According to Matthew, the first words our Lord spoke in his public ministry were about freedom from captivity and liberation from slavery.

The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me to preach good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim release to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
to proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord."
(Luke 4:18-19)

Jesus was quoting Isaiah.

The entire history of Israel was one of opression by kings, both foreign and their own. Release from captivity is one of the central themes of the Old Testament and the release from slavery in Egypt was the central event in the Jewish religion and the defining event in Jewish history.

I don’t know anything about the ideas of the men in the quote above, but the idea of release from slavery and liberty from opression is central to the Jewish theology and our own, and is a fundamental part of Christ’s mission.

-Tim-
What about king David? Christ the King?
 
What about king David? Christ the King?
Israel asked for a king and God took offense. Israel had God himself as their King but they wanted to be like the other nations and God took offense.

Therefore all the elders of Israel assembled and went to Samuel at Ramah and said to him, “Now that you are old, and your sons do not follow your example, appoint a king over us, like all the nations, to rule us.” Samuel was displeased when they said, “Give us a king to rule us.” But he prayed to the LORD. The LORD said: Listen to whatever the people say. You are not the one they are rejecting. They are rejecting me as their king. They are acting toward you just as they have acted from the day I brought them up from Egypt to this very day, deserting me to serve other gods. (1 Samuel 8:4-8)

The prophet Samuel warned the people that the king would rule harshly, taking their sons and daughters for forced labor and exacting a portion of their produce and wealth as taxation to build the army and for the administration of the kingdom, but the people insisted.

The people, however, refused to listen to Samuel’s warning and said, “No! There must be a king over us. We too must be like all the nations, with a king to rule us, lead us in warfare, and fight our battles.” (1 Samuel 8:19-20)

The people wanted to be like the other nations, rejecting God as their king and demanding an earthly king. God himself had faught for Israel, driving out nations before them. God himself had slaughtered the nations, felled the walls of Jericho and cleared the land for Israel to inhabit without the Israelites having to lift a finger, but Israel rejected God as their king. God gave them Saul as a king, but ripped the kingdom from Saul because of disobedience. God then gave them David, a man after God’s own heart, but David’s son Solomon ruled harshly. Solomon’s son then ruled so harshly that the ten northern tribes seceded, forming their own nation, committing apostacy and eventually dissapearing into oblivion, absorbed into the surrounding nations.

It was a disaster, and yet Israel fell even further, taken into exile, the temple destroyed, and eventually taken over by the Greeks when Alexander the Great tried to “Hellenize” the world. Rome became the dominant world power and eventually there came an emperor who exhalted himself as a God, calling himself the salvation of mankind, and claiming that he was sent to bring “Good news” to the world.

The fullness of time had come. The time was perfect for Jesus.

Jesus Christ is a King. Jesus Christ is also God. Once again the world has God himself - the man Jesus - as their King, if we are willing to accept him. Unlike Solomon, Rehoboham and the other kings of the Old Testament, Jesus does not rule harshly, but liberates, sets captives free, and his yoke is light for those who are willing to accept it.

Christ is King. Christ is God. God is again our King.

I really don’t understand the original post, and I mean that literally. I know nothing about those men who preach the “Gospel of liberty and freedom” but we still need governments, and we still need someone to administer the Church. Jesus did take authority away from the Chair of Moses and establish the Chair of Peter as his legitimate authority on earth, and the Church administers Christ’s kingdom on his behalf with the authority he has granted to do so. But that doesn’t change the fact that Christ came to liberate, to free captives, to release prisoners, to heal, to forgive debts, and to welcome sinners. The idea of release from captivity is a central theme in Sacred Scripture.

***Then he released for them Barab’bas, and having scourged Jesus, delivered him to be crucified. *(Matthew 27:26)

Even Barabbas the sinner was released. Christ died instead. Every one of us is Barabbas. We have all been released from captivity, set free from the debt we owe due to sin.

-Tim-
 
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