Got into an Argument

[scimitar60]

I got into an argument with a protestant, who claimed the Catholic Church was the antichrist. Jeez I get horrificly mad when protestants do that, without any scripture support whatsoever.

Look at his video, see what you think.
youtube.com/watch?v=oxAeDrymi-U

What am I supposed to do.

 

[scimitar60]

Can I also say how the argument was started?

I said a Hail Mary on his facebook page. He told me to not say Catholic prayers on his board and to stick to ‘Jesus Christ’ only. How ignorant, seriously.

 

[TheRealJuliane]

I would just leave it alone. Most likely, no matter what Scriptural evidence you show him, he will never believe it and will keep his emotionally-based and wrong belief no matter what you say. These people have been brainwashed by their own pastors against the Church and the more you protest the more convinced they become, that YOU are trying to drag them into Hell.

 

[Daegus]

I got into an argument with a protestant, who claimed the Catholic Church was the antichrist. Jeez I get horrificly mad when protestants do that, without any scripture support whatsoever.

Look at his video, see what you think.
youtube.com/watch?v=oxAeDrymi-U

What am I supposed to do.

I wouldn’t be surprised by this. Many protestants have made claims like this before. On top of that, youtube is littered with anti-Catholic videos by atheists/agnostics and Christians who don’t understand us alike. They call our mother Church horrible names like “anti-Christ” or “whore of Babylon” and then many ad hominems pursue. I hope you notice that in the video you just posted, he keeps saying that our Church is bad yet provides no solid reasons as to why we’re bad.

“Don’t believe the Catholic Church because they’re the anti-Christ!”

So don’t believe even the bad Catholic Church because it’s bad? That’s some pretty horrendous circular reasoning if I’ve ever seen it.

So, who are you going to believe? Protestant Pope #33,013 and his/her private revelations, or the one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which Jesus himself established upon Peter and passed down through a succession of bishops?

 

[on_eagles_wingz]

I found that its best to just walk away and overlook this type of offense, because I have seen well-versed catholics try to argue against them and these people just don’t get it. Their minds are already made up.

Here are some scriptures that support simply walking away from this type of thing:

A man’s wisdom gives him patience; it is to his glory to overlook an offense.
Proverbs 19:11 NIV

But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.
Titus 3:9 NIV

Even fools are thought wise when they keep silent; with their mouths shut, they seem intelligent.
Proverbs 17:28

Whoever belittles his neighbor lacks sense, but a man of understanding remains silent.
Proverbs 11:12 ESV

 

[Scoobyshme]

I got into an argument with a protestant, who claimed the Catholic Church was the antichrist. Jeez I get horrificly mad when protestants do that, without any scripture support whatsoever.

Look at his video, see what you think.
youtube.com/watch?v=oxAeDrymi-U

What am I supposed to do.

I’d ignore them, and pray for them.

Have you ever noticed that you don’t see a lot of anti-Protestant stuff around done by Catholics, but you see a lot of anti-Catholic stuff around done by Protestants?

I’ve also noticed that when someone leaves the Church, it’s all about what they’re leaving and why. (“I wasn’t being fed.” “I think the Church is full of hypocrites.” “Mass was boring.”) But when someone converts to Catholicism, it’s about what they’re coming to, not what they’re leaving. The focus for both groups is always on the Church. There’s a reason for that. When someone leaves the Church, they are, in a way, leaving Christ, especially in the Eucharist. Then they’re coming into the Church, they’re coming into the Mystical Body of Christ. Christ is always the focus, so, the Church is always the focus.

 

[Barbkw]

There is / was a network channel on television that constantly preached about “the little horn” from Daniel.

The emphasis was about the end of the world and how the Catholic Church was the anti-Christ.

One of the two main speakers - was a fallen away Catholic.

 

[FidesSpesCarita]

Shakespeare said it best “Methinkst thou dost protest too much”.

If you hear a thing being called bad in one way and bad in the opposite way you can be assured it is good.

The Church is mocked for telling sinners to confess then being too merciful to sinners. It is mocked for being misogynistic then mocked because “only old women go there”.

These things require no response.

 

[TBolt1000T]

Just by reading the guy’s YouTube username, he sounds like a Seventh Day Adventist to me. I’ve heard a lot of that same rhetoric from other SDA’s on YouTube.

 

[anp1215]

I’d ignore them, and pray for them.

Have you ever noticed that you don’t see a lot of anti-Protestant stuff around done by Catholics, but you see a lot of anti-Catholic stuff around done by Protestants?

I’ve also noticed that when someone leaves the Church, it’s all about what they’re leaving and why. (“I wasn’t being fed.” “I think the Church is full of hypocrites.” “Mass was boring.”) But when someone converts to Catholicism, it’s about what they’re coming to, not what they’re leaving. The focus for both groups is always on the Church. There’s a reason for that. When someone leaves the Church, they are, in a way, leaving Christ, especially in the Eucharist. Then they’re coming into the Church, they’re coming into the Mystical Body of Christ. Christ is always the focus, so, the Church is always the focus.

Yes I notice this all the time! In fact I just brought this up a few months ago to my sponsor. A man at the crisis pregnancy center I was volunteering at came up to my desk and said he “couldn’t help noticing my Catholic prayer book” and then proceeded to ask me all these questions about the Church even though I kept telling him I was only a candidate and didn’t know all the answers. He was using my words to trap me. For example, he would ask “Well do you believe your soul is judged immediately upon death?” and I said “Yes.” Then he would say “Then why do you believe Jesus is coming again to judge the living and the dead? Are they going to judged twice or something?”
And it made me feel so dumb and embarrassed that I didn’t know the answers
I asked my sponsor, “I don’t understand why there are so many Protestants who do this to Catholics. I have never seen a Catholic walk up to a (stranger) Protestant and start attacking them this way!!!” When I was a Protestant, I never did this to Catholics and my sponsor (she is a convert also) said she would never have done that either!

 

[joandarc2008]

The “Hail Mary” actually is Biblically based - if you were so inclined you could pull all of the Scriptures out of the CCC directly and take it line by line with the corresponding scriptures and send it to him by PM if you feel that your friend is up for debate and just ask that your friend understand that you believe when you pray for the intercession of our Blessed Mother for him that you do this with the best of intentions based in scripture.

 

[scimitar60]

Thanks for the replys guys.

I find that I get into a huge rage when protestants do this. When I went to my protestant school, they did do alot of anti catholic propoganda.

I need to cool my nerves sometimes.

 

[scimitar60]

I wouldn’t be surprised by this. Many protestants have made claims like this before. On top of that, youtube is littered with anti-Catholic videos by atheists/agnostics and Christians who don’t understand us alike. They call our mother Church horrible names like “anti-Christ” or “whore of Babylon” and then many ad hominems pursue. I hope you notice that in the video you just posted, he keeps saying that our Church is bad yet provides no solid reasons as to why we’re bad.

“Don’t believe the Catholic Church because they’re the anti-Christ!”

So don’t believe even the bad Catholic Church because it’s bad? That’s some pretty horrendous circular reasoning if I’ve ever seen it.

So, who are you going to believe? Protestant Pope #33,013 and his/her private revelations, or the one Holy Catholic Apostolic Church, which Jesus himself established upon Peter and passed down through a succession of bishops?

Great news everyone! I have given him scriptures to respond to his statements, and is starting to show his soft side. He asked me this question:

Thomas, where in the Bible only does it say we Christian’s must honor and pray to Mary, confess our sins to the catholic father, believe in purgatory etc?

I’m in RCIA and can’t answer this question fully yet, can someone give me an answer to give him? URGENT!

 

[WesleyF]

Yes I notice this all the time! In fact I just brought this up a few months ago to my sponsor. A man at the crisis pregnancy center I was volunteering at came up to my desk and said he “couldn’t help noticing my Catholic prayer book” and then proceeded to ask me all these questions about the Church even though I kept telling him I was only a candidate and didn’t know all the answers. He was using my words to trap me. For example, he would ask “Well do you believe your soul is judged immediately upon death?” and I said “Yes.” Then he would say “Then why do you believe Jesus is coming again to judge the living and the dead? Are they going to judged twice or something?”
And it made me feel so dumb and embarrassed that I didn’t know the answers
I asked my sponsor, “I don’t understand why there are so many Protestants who do this to Catholics. I have never seen a Catholic walk up to a (stranger) Protestant and start attacking them this way!!!” When I was a Protestant, I never did this to Catholics and my sponsor (she is a convert also) said she would never have done that either!

You should have employed the “ignorant Catholic” strategy described by John Martignoni. You should have said, “You know what, that’s a good question. I don’t know the answer to that one. BUT, I will find out and get back to you.”

You should have taken his email ID and responded back to him after taking down all his questions.

 

[joandarc2008]

Great news everyone! I have given him scriptures to respond to his statements, and is starting to show his soft side. He asked me this question:

Thomas, where in the Bible only does it say we Christian’s must honor and pray to Mary, confess our sins to the catholic father, believe in purgatory etc?

I’m in RCIA and can’t answer this question fully yet, can someone give me an answer to give him? URGENT!

Here we Go:

Purgatory -talk

Purgatory - Artistic with Scripture

Sacrament of Penance talk

Sola Scriptura vs Mary

I hope that is a good start.

 

[scimitar60]

Thanks guys, but now another cough moron cough has sent me a message.

@ Thomas. I know there are many good Christian people in the Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit DOES move among his people. But, yes, I too believe that the Pope and the RC Church are beast and anti-christ. You see, in the early days of the RC, the Pope had “Vicker of Christ” written in Latin on his ‘hat’. We all know that in Latin, I =1 + V = 5 = X = 10. So if you were to ad those letters together as they appeared on the Pope’s head, you get a total of 666. The mark of the beast that we read about in Revelation. There are other prophesies alluding to this throughout the Bible, but I can’t go into it right now. However, if we examine Catholic doctrine closely, we can find many things contrary to Biblical truth, enough to support the theory that the Catholic Church is indeed anti-Christ. I encourage you, Thomas, to do some studying and find your own answers. God Bless You, grace and peace, Richard.

How the heck, did they even get this?

 

[Daegus]

Thanks guys, but now another cough moron cough has sent me a message.

@ Thomas. I know there are many good Christian people in the Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit DOES move among his people. But, yes, I too believe that the Pope and the RC Church are beast and anti-christ. You see, in the early days of the RC, the Pope had “Vicker of Christ” written in Latin on his ‘hat’. We all know that in Latin, I =1 + V = 5 = X = 10. So if you were to ad those letters together as they appeared on the Pope’s head, you get a total of 666. The mark of the beast that we read about in Revelation. There are other prophesies alluding to this throughout the Bible, but I can’t go into it right now. However, if we examine Catholic doctrine closely, we can find many things contrary to Biblical truth, enough to support the theory that the Catholic Church is indeed anti-Christ. I encourage you, Thomas, to do some studying and find your own answers. God Bless You, grace and peace, Richard.

How the heck, did they even get this?

That’s the most ludicrous garbage I’ve ever heard. How did he transition from Vicker (It’s actually Vicar. “Vicker” isn’t even a word in English OR Latin) to 666? 1 + 5 + 10 is 16, not 666. 1 x 5 x 10 is 50, not 666. 1 + 5 x 10 is 60, not 666. No matter how you add or multiply or divide those numbers, they don’t equal 666. (Unless of course, you don’t know basic mathematics)

On top of that, I don’t understand why he’s obsessing over the number 666. The number itself doesn’t do anything to anyone, and there’s no reason to believe in a number being a sign of Satan. The whole book of Apocalypse is apocalyptic literature, so why should it be taken literally? Unless you literally think that a dragon is going to pop out of the sky, trying to kill a floating pregnant woman’s child while knocking a third of the stars out of the sky.

 

[TBolt1000T]

Thanks guys, but now another cough moron cough has sent me a message.

@ Thomas. I know there are many good Christian people in the Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit DOES move among his people. But, yes, I too believe that the Pope and the RC Church are beast and anti-christ. You see, in the early days of the RC, the Pope had “Vicker of Christ” written in Latin on his ‘hat’. We all know that in Latin, I =1 + V = 5 = X = 10. So if you were to ad those letters together as they appeared on the Pope’s head, you get a total of 666. The mark of the beast that we read about in Revelation. There are other prophesies alluding to this throughout the Bible, but I can’t go into it right now. However, if we examine Catholic doctrine closely, we can find many things contrary to Biblical truth, enough to support the theory that the Catholic Church is indeed anti-Christ. I encourage you, Thomas, to do some studying and find your own answers. God Bless You, grace and peace, Richard.

How the heck, did they even get this?

forum.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=136334
This should help.

 

[FCEGM]

Thanks guys, but now another cough moron cough has sent me a message.

@ Thomas. I know there are many good Christian people in the Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit DOES move among his people. But, yes, I too believe that the Pope and the RC Church are beast and anti-christ. You see, in the early days of the RC, the Pope had “Vicker of Christ” written in Latin on his ‘hat’. We all know that in Latin, I =1 + V = 5 = X = 10. So if you were to ad those letters together as they appeared on the Pope’s head, you get a total of 666. The mark of the beast that we read about in Revelation. There are other prophesies alluding to this throughout the Bible, but I can’t go into it right now. However, if we examine Catholic doctrine closely, we can find many things contrary to Biblical truth, enough to support the theory that the Catholic Church is indeed anti-Christ. I encourage you, Thomas, to do some studying and find your own answers. God Bless You, grace and peace, Richard.

How the heck, did they even get this?

From Ellen G. White (SDA founder); this is contained in her book The Great Controversy.

HOWEVER:

Q: My daughter recently married a Seventh-Day Adventist (against my husband’s and my intense opposition). He attacks the Catholic Church whenever he gets the chance. One of his main objects of scorn is our Holy Father, who, he says, is the beast spoken of in Revelation 13. He claims he can “prove” this because the pope’s title, Vicarius Filii Dei (Latin for Vicar of the Son of God), adds up to 666–the “number of the beast” mentioned in Revelation 13. Is this true? How can we respond?

A: You were right to object to this marriage. No doubt, with his attitude, your son-in-law will do everything he can to rob your daughter of her Catholic faith and wrest her away from the Church (this is why Paul warned us not to be “unequally yoked” [2 Cor. 6:14]). Encourage your daughter to remain steadfast in the faith, and do your best to respond to her husband’s attacks in a charitable but firm way.

Let’s consider his accusation. Latin, Greek, and Hebrew have numerical values assigned to various letters in their alphabets. In Latin the values are: I = 1, V = 5, X = 10; L = 50, C = 100, D = 500, M = 1,000. By extension W = 10 (because W = VV, or two Vs together), and U = V (because there was no letter U for the Romans; where you see the letter U in modern writing, use the letter V instead).

As you can work out for yourself, Vicarius Filii Dei does add up to 666 in Latin: Vicarius = 112; Filii = 53; Dei = 501. (Ignore letters which are not assigned a numerical value.) The problem is that Vicarius Filii Dei is not a title of the pope. One of his titles, in fact his chief title, is Vicarius Christi (Vicar of Christ), but, unfortunately for Seventh-Day Adventists and other anti-Catholics who attempt to use this ploy, Vicarius Christi adds up to only a measly 214, not the infernal 666.

Since the average person, Catholic or Protestant, hasn’t the foggiest idea what the pope’s titles are in Latin or English, anti-Catholics (some of whom know better) can get away with this subterfuge.

But what if one of the pope’s titles did add up to 666? Would that coincidence prove the pope is the beast? Hardly. It would prove nothing because lots of names and titles add up to 666. By using a nifty little technique you can force a Seventh-Day Adventist to admit that the addition to 666 proves nothing, even when it’s a papal title that’s in questions. Here’s how.

Have your son-in-law do the math, and he’ll be shocked to learn that the name of the woman who started Seventh-Day Adventism, Ellen Gould White, adds up to 666: Ellen = 100, Gould = 555, White = 11. Ask him whether this “proves” that the foundress of his religion was the beast? If he says “No,” then the tallying of the name means nothing. If he says “Yes,” then what’s he doing belonging to a church founded by the beast? Either way his argument collapses. (Isn’t apologetics fun?)

catholic.com/thisrock/1992/9209qq.asp

 

[James224]

Just by reading the guy’s YouTube username, he sounds like a Seventh Day Adventist to me. I’ve heard a lot of that same rhetoric from other SDA’s on YouTube.

You’re probably right. This reminded me of Patrick Madrid’s book “Pope Fiction” where he wrote one of the funniest things to me about the Seven Day Adventists. They claim that the Pope is the anti-Christ because the Pope’s title numerically adds up to 666 in Latin. He showed this wasn’t true and showed that the founder of the Seven Day Adventists, Ellen Gould White, by the same method could be the anti-christ. Her name in latin numerically adds up to 666: L + L + V + D + V + V + I = 666!!! So they can’t win the numbers game!