Grape juice and buns

[kage_ar]

Thanks all of you! I rushed to Confession and talked it out with the priest…he was a little doubtful about my attending a P church in the first place.I felt somewhat confused for some time,but I later decided I shall continue helping out at their services; however, i’ve just become a lot more wary about assimilating anything that they hold on to if it is at odds with teachings of the True Church.

I have always had a copy of the Catechism at home,but from tomorrow on,I shall start reading it for a change.
Thank you!
MATER DEI, ORA PRO NOBIS!

Advise you to listen to your Priest.

 

[Newbie2]

What is demeaning about telling the truth? It’s not Jesus, so therefore it is only just food. As I told someone this weekend at a birthday party we went to - regardless of what YOU get out of it, it’s still just oyster crackers and grape juice.

~Liza

Well, maybe not in this case, but Lutherans believe that they receive the body and blood of Christ in the Sacrament, even though it is not contained within the species of bread and wine.

Nonetheless, good advice to have taken this up with your priest, which you did…and not a bad learning opportunity…and maybe a future teaching opportunity to your Protestant friends.

Who knows?

 

[MargaretCortona]

<quote from Japhy - If this (the issue of Catholics attending non-Catholic services) goes to another thread, post a link to it here, please.>

Here’s one that seems to be relevant, though I don’t know exactly what function the OP was serving at the non-Catholic service she was attending.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=22481&highlight=Protestant+worship+paid

 

[MrS]

Originally Posted by FrCorey forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Juice and Buns?
snacks don’t belong in mass, eat afterwards.
the Lord will come when asked to, but he won’t transform juice and buns into his blood and body. so basicly it is still plain food. and use napkins.
wow, whats next, donuts and soda? Behold! the snack of the Lord…

This isn’t funny, it’s demeaning toward our separate brethren. I was a Protestant. Communion Sunday was a very spiritually profound experience. Regardless if you think it was “just plain food” for some people it means much more. I doubt you would like showing up on a Protestant board and reading some of the demeaning things they say about us. Let’s show some Christian charity.

Fr Corey is not Catholic, in spite of what his bio reads:

**Fr Corey+

**St Benedicts Church,
A parish of The Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church
A Member Of The Augustana Evangelical Catholic Communion

 

[Cristiano]

As someone who has been on both sides of the Catholic / Protestant divide, I can speak with pretty firm assurance from both sides when I say, “Truth trumps all!” Let’s not confuse directness with arrogance, nor soft-sell the glorious truths of our faith in the name of “eccuminism.” True eccuminism embraces the similarities, recognizes the differences without avoidance, and then attempts to build bridges of dialog. I’m noone’s friend by withholding truth from them, and I’m getting too old to sacrifice sound teaching on the altar of diplomacy.

I think that the truth can be presented in a charitable and prudent manner or in an arrogant manner. The charitable and prudent manner will make the recipient feel considered and open to the truth. The arrogant manner will get the recipient to shut down the messenger and the message of Truth too. As a Catholic which delivery method should you choose to deliver the Truth?

If you see an overweight person do you tell them that they are fat or do you tell them that because of their status you are concerned about their health and that exercise would help them? You are stating the truth with both approaches; however, which is the Christian and effective way?

Do I sound charitable if I say that when you “get too old to sacrifice sound teaching on the altar of diplomacy” you should then keep your mouth shut. Would it help better if I were to say that with age you got the wisdom to be much more diplomatic than what you would expect. The first statement would be a knee jerk reaction and the second a more prudent one that considers your true capabilities.

 

[harrisunt]

Originally Posted by FrCorey forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
Juice and Buns?
snacks don’t belong in mass, eat afterwards.
the Lord will come when asked to, but he won’t transform juice and buns into his blood and body. so basicly it is still plain food. and use napkins.
wow, whats next, donuts and soda? Behold! the snack of the Lord…

I really agree with this statement. One of the most profound moments of my Protestant life was a time that we took a different style of communion. This may seem strange to others, especially cradle Catholics, but we were told to take a grape and tear off a piece of bread from a loaf. (I know it’s not Biblical, spare me please) We were told to imagine that the skin of the grape was Christ’s body being crushed and the juice was his blood. The bread, obviously his flesh being torn by our chewing.

While I no longer look at Holy Communion in this light it was still a beautiful and reverent moment in my Christian life. One that I will never forget.

Remember that Protestants can be just as on fire for God as any of us and we should remain reverent when speaking about their practices.

 

[Irish_Saints]

If you see an overweight person do you tell them that they are fat or do you tell them that because of their status you are concerned about their health and that exercise would help them? You are stating the truth with both approaches; however, which is the Christian and effective way?

As it turns out, I am one of those “overweight persons.” I have been virtually all my life. And I’m not just chunky, portly, husky or plump. By all objective terms, I am fat. I don’t get upset when people make the observation…what can I do? Tell them it’s an optical illusion brought about by severe atmospheric aberation? So, I let them state the truth, silently reflecting and knowing deep inside that I could snap their puny little frame in less time that it would take to tear open a fresh box of Oreo Double-Stuffs!

:dancing:

Do I sound charitable if I say that when you “get too old to sacrifice sound teaching on the altar of diplomacy” you should then keep your mouth shut. Would it help better if I were to say that with age you got the wisdom to be much more diplomatic than what you would expect. The first statement would be a knee jerk reaction and the second a more prudent one that considers your true capabilities.

You could try. It probably wouldn’t work though. I have an obstinate streak so wide, it has it’s own zip code.

Now that we got that out of the way, I never indicated that one should be tactless or crude. As I indicated in an earlier post, one should strive to heed the words of St. Peter who encouraged us to respond “with gentleness and reverence.” And while I see no wisdom in belittling non-Catholic “communion”, I see no way of soft-selling the Catholic position when the subject comes up… and it comes up often, believe me. I still shudder to this day when I think of the time when I was with a (non-Catholic) youth group and one of the youth ministers thought it would be a real “cool idea” to celebrate the “Lord’s Supper” with Pepsi and Doritos! :doh2:

 

[Mintaka]

I think it’s a good point, though. A Protestant Communion isn’t the Real Presence, true. It’s not even a sacramental in the normal sense. But it is food that has been blessed, with the intention that it bear some sort of similarity to the Lord’s Supper. The people who are doing it are not, by and large, trying to commit the crime of simulating a sacrament; they are trying to follow Christ’s commands as well as they can.

So although it would be bad for a Catholic to take Protestant communion, it’s not bad for the Protestant. It’s as good as it gets for them (barring the real sacraments they can offer, like Baptism). May it do them good, and help lead them home.