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I was talking with a baby boomer a little while ago in regards to why gluten-free bread couldn’t be used in the Eucharist. (It was much more natural than this post suggests.) Anyways, after I mentioned that it was because they didn’t have gluten-free bread at the time of the Last Supper, she mentioned that in college they’d used grape juice a couple times (possibly a mishearing on my part) and that wine was present most of the time when she was growing up. So I’m just wondering if there was a time when grape juice was allowed. I’m guessing that with the no wine, the priest still had some but it just wasn’t distributed to the communicants.
 
No, grape juice was never allowed.

That doesn’t mean someone didn’t do something they were not supposed to do, esp back in the 70s. But grape juice was never allowed.

The “no wine” would be where the priest did not distribute the Blood of Christ to the faithful. Before Vatican II, it was practice not to distribute the Blood of Christ in the Roman Rite. And even today, after Vatican II, the distribution of the Blood of Christ is “optional.” The priest always partakes in the Blood, but does not distribution to everyone.

Today, in my parish for example, the Blood of Christ is not distributed for Mass on Sundays, at weddings, funerals, and other larger Masses. But is distributed during daily Mass, in the daily Mass Chapel. There are many parishes where this is common.

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mVitus said:
. So I’m just wondering if there was a time when grape juice was allowed. I’m guessing that with the no wine, the priest still had some but it just wasn’t distributed to the communicants.
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Maybe your friend is a Protestant?

Dr. Welch was a protestant layman who originally marketed his grape juice to churches for use in communion,
 
mVitus said:
I was talking with a baby boomer a little while ago in regards to why gluten-free bread couldn’t be used in the Eucharist. (It was much more natural than this post suggests.) Anyways, after I mentioned that it was because they didn’t have gluten-free bread at the time of the Last Supper, she mentioned that in college they’d used grape juice a couple times (possibly a mishearing on my part) and that wine was present most of the time when she was growing up. So I’m just wondering if there was a time when grape juice was allowed. I’m guessing that with the no wine, the priest still had some but it just wasn’t distributed to the communicants.
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Yeah, your explanation of why no gluten free hosts was flawed. And not at all the reason they are not allowed.
 
The host must be wheat bread. Completely gluten free bread is not allowed because it is not truly wheat bread. Very low gluten bread can be used.
 
One time in college our priest used root beer. He discovered this when he drank it. At that point, he announced this mass was invalid but we had fulfilled our Sunday obligation as WE intended to attend a valid mass. Communion was not distributed.

Some student had put away the root beer in the wrong place during the week.
 
Evan said:
One time in college our priest used root beer. He discovered this when he drank it. At that point, he announced this mass was invalid but we had fulfilled our Sunday obligation as WE intended to attend a valid mass. Communion was not distributed.

Some student had put away the root beer in the wrong place during the week.
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I have a hard time believing this, espically the part about it not being noticed until he drank it. In my opinion it would be Very hard to not distinguish the two by sight alone.
 
Xystus said:
I have a hard time believing this, espically the part about it not being noticed until he drank it. In my opinion it would be Very hard to not distinguish the two by sight alone.
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This was on campus. ‘Wine’ in chalis before mass begins. He may have noticed when he added the water. But he did not smell the wine. Lighting not great and he was tired at the 7 am mass.

Some students stay up late, some early risers. Trying to accommodate both makes for a tired priest.

Our, yeah, the root beer was flat. It had been opened days before the mass. So it was as dark as the wine we use. No bubbles to give it away. And who smells the wine before Mass?
 
Evan said:
This was on campus. ‘Wine’ in chalis before mass begins. He may have noticed when he added the water. But he did not smell the wine. Lighting not great and he was tired at the 7 am mass.

Some students stay up late, some early risers. Trying to accommodate both makes for a tired priest.

Our, yeah, the root beer was flat. It had been opened days before the mass. So it was as dark as the wine we use. No bubbles to give it away. And who smells the wine before Mass?
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Not buying it.
 
Evan said:
This was on campus. ‘Wine’ in chalis before mass begins. He may have noticed when he added the water. But he did not smell the wine. Lighting not great and he was tired at the 7 am mass.

Some students stay up late, some early risers. Trying to accommodate both makes for a tired priest.

Our, yeah, the root beer was flat. It had been opened days before the mass. So it was as dark as the wine we use. No bubbles to give it away. And who smells the wine before Mass?
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Was this at SU?
The wine has a distinct smell. In our huge cathedral you can smell it as it’s poured. Root beer also has a distinct smell. And the two should not be stored together.
I too am having s hard time with this one. Perhaps just an urban myth…

Though some schools are know for thier wonky-ness when it comes to orthodoxy…

It definitely would have not been something to smile and joke about if it did happen…
 
I read once that there was a substance called “musk” that was a natural grape product that had a very low alcohol content for use by priests who are recovering alcoholics. Don’t know any more than that.:o
 
TARRAT said:
I read once that there was a substance called “musk” that was a natural grape product that had a very low alcohol content for use by priests who are recovering alcoholics. Don’t know any more than that.:o
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I think wine where the fermentation process began but was halted by freezing(since freezing does not change its substance) and thus has a very low alchol content is valid. i dont know all the finer details or its name but i remember reading about it. maybe somebody can fill in the details or call me out if i am wrong.
 
TARRAT said:
I read once that there was a substance called “musk” that was a natural grape product that had a very low alcohol content for use by priests who are recovering alcoholics. Don’t know any more than that.:o
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Mustum.

Musk is something else entirely. Boy, is it something else entirely.
 
Hoosier_Daddy said:
Was this at SU?
The wine has a distinct smell. In our huge cathedral you can smell it as it’s poured. Root beer also has a distinct smell. And the two should not be stored together.
I too am having s hard time with this one. Perhaps just an urban myth…

Though some schools are know for thier wonky-ness when it comes to orthodoxy…

It definitely would have not been something to smile and joke about if it did happen…
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I was wrong. It was at the church across the street. This was a state university. The wine was never poured. The chalis was prepared by someone before mass. I didn’t taste it so may have been Pepsi. Don’t know. Sacrosanct prepared chalis before mass.

Whole discussion, unimportant. Invalid matter → invalid mass
 
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