Graphic abortion pictures

[ahollars]

And your point is…?
They are both horrible acts…both=bad. Neither should be shown to young, impressionable children.

The point is that one is excused by society and it is up to us to put a stop to it. The only way that will happen is if we are reminded, firmly and frequently, what we are up against, what is happening while we live our lives, and what it says about the people who think it’s okay.

Yes, my children are young and impressionable, and I WANT IT TO LEAVE AN IMPRESSION ON THEM!!!

And you should too.

BTW, the pro-choice side will leave their impression if you don’t, and it doesn’t take much work on their part.

 

[lil_flower_luv]

The point is that one is excused by society and it is up to us to put a stop to it. The only way that will happen is if we are reminded, firmly and frequently, what we are up against, what is happening while we live our lives, and what it says about the people who think it’s okay.

Yes, my children are young and impressionable, and I WANT IT TO LEAVE AN IMPRESSION ON THEM!!!

And you should too.

BTW, the pro-choice side will leave their impression if you don’t, and it doesn’t take much work on their part.

I agree and I think you are raising smart kids. I just don’t think kids should be disturbed by the face of aborion because I know I don’t like to see those pictures. It really makes me cringe.

 

[ahollars]

I saw child abuse from birth until I was 12 and my views on many things were distorted and I required much therapy because of it.

What I am saying is that each child is different and each parent should be the one making decisions about when their children see these things. If you would show these pictures to your young child then that is your right and I will fight to the death defending your right to raise your children any way you see fit. I’m only asking for the same thing in return.

If you’re going to have graphic depictions of abortion on a public street you should put up a sign warning people about it before the pictures are actually visible so that those who wish to avoid the protest can.

Very well. You have spoken fairly and honestly, and so will I.

I must disagree with the presumption that the average child (child meaning under 10) is not ready to see these pictures. I have known hundreds of children over the years that have seen the images, and I only knew of one, in all that time, who was disturbed by what they saw to the point of needing counsel. She was fine by the next week. Everyone else understood what they were seeing, and immediately drew the connection to immorality.

I also see it as a necessary tool in our war to end abortion. We cannot get the effect we want without visual representations to shock the public into reflection. Unfortunately, this cannot be done while keeping children oblivious to it. It is better to educate children at home, so that the first time they see these images is not on the sidewalk. Any child who can recognize that what they see is a baby can also understand that it is wrong. Then the parents says that people in this country actually defend it and participate. Simply avoiding it, postponing it, or telling us not to use the images, is not the answer. We will never win if it is all behind closed doors.

My :twocents:

 

[Drawmack]

The point is that one is excused by society and it is up to us to put a stop to it. The only way that will happen is if we are reminded, firmly and frequently, what we are up against, what is happening while we live our lives, and what it says about the people who think it’s okay.

Yes, my children are young and impressionable, and I WANT IT TO LEAVE AN IMPRESSION ON THEM!!!

And you should too.

BTW, the pro-choice side will leave their impression if you don’t, and it doesn’t take much work on their part.

You want an impression? Ask my daughter what she thinks of abortion. This 12 year old girl will tell you that abortion makes no sense. She will continue to tell you that she believes abortion is murder, but even if you don’t agree with her it still makes no sense. She will then explain to you all the types of help that are available for single mothers, she will explain to you what adoption is and what agencies will help with the pregnancy and labor costs if you put the child up for adoption. She’ll explain how adoption allows you to turn your misfortune into a great blessing for someone who can’t have children of their own. And, she’s never seen one single picture of abortion.

You want to know what takes work, raise a kid so that they can intellectually and logically defend the morals and ethics you’ve given them without resorting to emotionalism. That’s difficult!

On a side note, do you know the #1 reason teenage girls give for getting an abortion?

They could not tell their parents they were pregnant. I talked on, very devout Christian, girl in her early 20’s out of abortion less than a month ago. She was going to get an abortion because she would rather (in her words) “kill her own baby than tell her parents she’s not a virgin”. Situations like this make me wonder how effectively people really are educating their own children.

 

[Drawmack]

Very well. You have spoken fairly and honestly, and so will I.

I must disagree with the presumption that the average child (child meaning under 10) is not ready to see these pictures. I have known hundreds of children over the years that have seen the images, and I only knew of one, in all that time, who was disturbed by what they saw to the point of needing counsel. She was fine by the next week. Everyone else understood what they were seeing, and immediately drew the connection to immorality.

I also see it as a necessary tool in our war to end abortion. We cannot get the effect we want without visual representations to shock the public into reflection. Unfortunately, this cannot be done while keeping children oblivious to it. It is better to educate children at home, so that the first time they see these images is not on the sidewalk. Any child who can recognize that what they see is a baby can also understand that it is wrong. Then the parents says that people in this country actually defend it and participate. Simply avoiding it, postponing it, or telling us not to use the images, is not the answer. We will never win if it is all behind closed doors.

My :twocents:

Is it too much to ask that if you’re going to hold a protest which utilizes graphic images you put up a sign a couple blocks before hand warning people so that those who wish to can go around it. You don’t even need to be that specific about what you’re displaying. Something like, “Protesters are holding signs which may be inappropriate for children two blocks away” Is that really too much to ask?

 

[ahollars]

You want an impression? Ask my daughter what she thinks of abortion. This 12 year old girl will tell you that abortion makes no sense. She will continue to tell you that she believes abortion is murder, but even if you don’t agree with her it still makes no sense. She will then explain to you all the types of help that are available for single mothers, she will explain to you what adoption is and what agencies will help with the pregnancy and labor costs if you put the child up for adoption. She’ll explain how adoption allows you to turn your misfortune into a great blessing for someone who can’t have children of their own. And, she’s never seen one single picture of abortion.

You want to know what takes work, raise a kid so that they can intellectually and logically defend the morals and ethics you’ve given them without resorting to emotionalism. That’s difficult!

On a side note, do you know the #1 reason teenage girls give for getting an abortion?

They could not tell their parents they were pregnant. I talked on, very devout Christian, girl in her early 20’s out of abortion less than a month ago. She was going to get an abortion because she would rather (in her words) “kill her own baby than tell her parents she’s not a virgin”. Situations like this make me wonder how effectively people really are educating their own children.

I have a 12 year old daughter also. We have already told her that we would always love her, and not to be afraid. On the other hand, my son is now 6. I have a different speech waiting for him. His will be along the lines of…

“If your girlfriend is pregnant, or if I found out about funny business any other way, I will beat you down like the man you think you are! I am your father; I brought you into this world, and I’ll take you out!”

~Bill Cosby, 1983~

 

[preacher_girl]

For one thing, no one is forcing your children to look at those pictures. Secondly, I do believe that if they are going to put such pictures up, they should have a sign a few hundred yards before the pictures alerting you to the graphic pictures so you can tell your children to close their eyes or you can go a different way.

Forcing? If you put it in front of a child, they will see it. The burden of making the right decision isn’t on the child.

A sign would be great, but will not work in every situation. There’s also the difficulty of getting children to close their eyes without peeking (if it’s too late to take another route).

 

[preacher_girl]

I must disagree with the presumption that the average child (child meaning under 10) is not ready to see these pictures.

You might asked a licensed counselor about that. You can’t always tell how deeply children are affected.

 

[preacher_girl]

No, I would not show a rape to my kids. Rape is illegal, while abortion is not.

Read this again. Think about it.

Your point shouldn’t be what is legal or illegal, as you do not agree with legal abortions.

 

[Drawmack]

You might asked a licensed counselor about that. You can’t always tell how deeply children are affected.

On top of that, I’m not talking about an average child; I’m talking about each individual child who sees those pictures. My daughter is 12 and still cries when she sees roadkill. We lived in the country for most of her life so believe me it’s not from lack of exposure.

 

[Ceil-1]

Say what you want, I would rather be standing before the judgement seat of God having defended these innocents being led to their deaths than those of you too attached to your peaceful lives to confront the reality of evil.

Those holding the signs are proclaiming truth. They are willing to take on themselves the wrath that comes with confronting evil . They give up much of themselves for the Gospel of Life.

“Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his
deeds will be exposed.” John 3:20.

Their lives become a sacrifice. Unfortunately, there are not enough of these people, and that is why we are losing the battle. We are badly outnumbered. Think about it, would abortion be a reality if everyone in the Catholic Church, not counting the Protestants, Jews, Muslims, and other pro-life people, had the guts to protest so strongly? You know it wouldn’t.

These sign-carriers are the Navy Seals, the Special Ops forces of God’s Army. We are not all strong enough to do what they do. But, we should at least admire and support them.

And if a child happens upon these images, that is the permissive Will of God, and they will be blessed for it. They at least will be exposed to truth before they are exposed to the lies, and will recognize the lies when they hear them. I’m glad they are out there.

 

[Drawmack]

Say what you want, I would rather be standing before the judgement seat of God having defended these innocents being led to their deaths than those of you too attached to your peaceful lives to confront the reality of evil.

Those holding the signs are proclaiming truth. They are willing to take on themselves the wrath that comes with confronting evil . They give up much of themselves for the Gospel of Life.

“Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his
deeds will be exposed.” John 3:20.

Their lives become a sacrifice. Unfortunately, there are not enough of these people, and that is why we are losing the battle. We are badly outnumbered. Think about it, would abortion be a reality if everyone in the Catholic Church, not counting the Protestants, Jews, Muslims, and other pro-life people, had the guts to protest so strongly? You know it wouldn’t.

These sign-carriers are the Navy Seals, the Special Ops forces of God’s Army. We are not all strong enough to do what they do. But, we should at least admire and support them.

And if a child happens upon these images, that is the permissive Will of God, and they will be blessed for it. They at least will be exposed to truth before they are exposed to the lies, and will recognize the lies when they hear them. I’m glad they are out there.

This post is so full of errors I don’t even know where to begin.

First, I’ve been one of the most vocal people on this thread. When I stand before God’s judgment I will do so as someone who personally works with pregnant teenage girls at risk of getting an abortion, what about you?

Second of all a recent gallup poll showed that over 50% of respondents were pro-life so I don’t know where your getting your information about who is outnumbered.

 

[pnewton]

Say what you want, I would rather be standing before the judgement seat of God having defended these innocents being led to their deaths than those of you too attached to your peaceful lives to confront the reality of evil.

When you start trying to determine how the judgement seat of God will go, you have crossed the line Jesus drew on judging others. Do not assume that those who do not confront evil the way you think it should be done do not confront evil in other ways. One may choose to fight fire with fire and another may choose to fight fire with water.

 

[ahollars]

You might asked a licensed counselor about that. You can’t always tell how deeply children are affected.

A licensed counselor would tell me that corporal punishment in any form is child abuse. I take most things they say with skepticism, if I take it seriously at all.

“I am not condoning the old-fashioned style of knocking your child upside the head, although I do not necessarily condemn it either.”

“Love equals sacrifice. It means I love you enough to tell you the truth no matter what. Anything less is not love. It’s indifference at best, and cowardice at worst.”

~Fr. John Corapi, 2002~

 

[lil_flower_luv]

And if a child happens upon these images, that is the permissive Will of God, and they will be blessed for it. They at least will be exposed to truth before they are exposed to the lies, and will recognize the lies when they hear them. I’m glad they are out there.

All parents are going to have somewhat a different parenting style than one another. Some parents may think its wrong to show their children graphic abortion pictures, while others may think its perfectly fine and dandy. The point should be: there will come a time when the children will grow up…and whether or not they learned the truth of abortion at a young age, they *will *vote. Let’s raise strong adults, not afraid to fight for whats right. Let’s make the next generation one that is strongly founded on the Churches teachings and will never be “silent or passive” on the issue of abortion.

God Bless!

 

[Drawmack]

A licensed counselor would tell me that corporal punishment in any form is child abuse. I take most things they say with skepticism, if I take it seriously at all.

My ex spanked our daughter a week ago – she’s a counselor.

 

[ahollars]

My ex spanked our daughter a week ago – she’s a counselor.

Personally, I would call that the exception, not the norm, but that’s just me, I guess.

 

[Drawmack]

Personally, I would call that the exception, not the norm, but that’s just me, I guess.

Doesn’t matter what you call it – still proves the person I was responding to wrong.

 

[Ceil-1]

Yes, Drawmack, pat yourself on the back, because you do more than most. But let’s face it, Catholic theology recognizes sacrifice. No guts, no glory, no pain, no gain. We are called to imitate Christ who gave Himself continually and in total for us. We believe that, through Christ, we have the power to interceed on behalf of our brothers and sisters, and that personal sacrifice is powerful, and infinitely so.

If you choose not to believe this, that is your prerogative. I am glad you are doing a corporal work of mercy. It is necessary and important. So is what the sign carriers do. Only, it takes way more sacrifice for them to do what they do. They are on the front lines, taking all the bullets.

It is like Norma McCorvey. Arrested in Washington. Well, she got in the news, didn’t she? She got her message out. She will pay, and who better to do so? How must she feel, being the patsy for the snakes who tricked her into it? What an eloquent message. It may seem foolish to us, and certainly to the world. She is being a fool for God, as Paul describes it. Yeah for her. Two claps for you. A standing ovation for her. A little jewel for your crown, a big one for hers.

As for those who were offended by my use of you, I should have said us. Lord knows, you will likely all get into heaven before me in any case. I was just reacting to your criticism and lack of support for these warriors. I don’t believe God would agree with your assessment. You should really rethink your position on it.

 

[ryecroft]

This presents a contradiction. How can one object to their children being force-fed sex education, even graphically, by a public school system and then deem they have the right by virtue of free speech to force-feed abortion images onto children of all that drive by? At least the public system is open to change through the electorate.

Should gays also have the freedom to present their views as graphically as they can to all you pass by, including children?

This is really a free speech issue as far as I can see it -(but I personally wouldn’t want any child of mine that was very youn to see those images) - with that being said, if you went by a strip club and there were people out front protesting and they had signs that had pictures of a woman or a few women dancing with nothing but stilletos on with an large red X on th picture and a note at the bottom saying “no more stripping in this town” (but of course you could still see the women on the sign) would you all feel the same way?

Personally I like the idea of someone standing maybe 500 yards prior to the protesting with a sign saying graphic protesting or graphic images ahead .