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The Church has not published an official list of what is/is not grave matter, or if they have I have not seen it. Can someone help me by making a workable list?
First, I think we are only required to confess mortal sin. So you can do grave matter #1, #2, or #3 and if it didn’t meet conditions for mortal sin, I agree you don’t have to confess it.Suppose you commit grave matter #1, #2, or #3, but you read this and see an “out” due to habit, ignorance, inordinate attachments, or “other” factors: a) do you even need to confess it?
I would think that however this thing works for an individual sin, that repeated sins would be covered. My nephew, for example, has brain damage and literally cannot learn from his mistakes. So even though he says he knows something he did was stupid and harmful, he’ll do it again and then again he’ll acknowledge it was stupid and harmful, even though it’s a rerun.b) does this paragraph provide a loophole to allow you to commit the sin again, over and over, since you may find the temptation or circumstances of it overwhelming?
I’d say anything you confess is ostensibly troubling to your heart, so once you confess it you get absolution for all sins – including the ones you were qualified to get away with. I don’t think it hurts to receive absolution for things that weren’t sins. At least that’s a better way to err than not receiving absolution for something that was a mortal sin.c) if I ever confessed a sin of grave matter, I never had the priest ask me any questions to see if I qualified for the loopholes of 1735.
I think, intuitively, that we are called to grace, to holiness, and to repentence. If we can identify ourselves commiting sins of grave matter, we should at least also be praying for forgiveness and divine assistance to repent of these sins.
Maybe “loophole” adds meaning to it compared to a more socially neutral term like “exception.” If I do grave matter because I’m sick in the head, and wouldn’t have had I not been, then the sickness explains why the grave matter took place, regardless of the issue of the sinfulness of it. So I see there are explanations for why we behave this way or that. Now if somebody tells me, “don’t blame me for doing this because I’m bipolar,” well I’m intimately acquainted with bipolar, so I have some way to determine whether it’s true or not. For example, I have a friend who cheated on his wife once while extremely manic. Due to his mental state, he honestly thought the Holy Spirit was leading him to do this – and because of my experiences, after questioning him I believed that he believed this. To someone without having experienced a similar illness, it might be very hard to tell whether they were really acting under influences that cannot be controlled or resisted, or if they’re just trying to get away with something.I’m not sure God is looking for loopholes. We will be judged for what is in our heart. And, what is that supposed to be?
That’s because the nature of sin cannot be analyzed logically or mathematically or otherwise formally. Personally I think the distinction between mortal and venial is overrated. Sin is sin, and we are to strive for perfection.Again, I am amazed how broad 1735 is, and how vague it is. I might decide not to go to confession, because my sin couldn’t be more than venial, in severity (the second worse thing we can do to offend God).
But one need not hold that ‘full’ means '100%, because no one could ever say that they were '100% knowledgable on ANYTHING. Also, with today’s societal conditioning, people would say that they never FULLY consented because they were under duress, it was a ‘situation’, they were impaired, etc. etc.A mortal sin should be one of the above grave matters only when it is done with full knowledge of the gravity of the sin, and with full consent of the will.
Actually such would not be quite on mark. While one does need “grave matter, full knowledge and deliberate consent”I think for a mortal sin you have to know the consequence that will follow. If you think of it in personal relationship terms, a mortal sin is a sin that severs or ends or kills (mortal) our relationship with God. To terminate your covenantal relationship with God, you have to know that you are doing so.
It seems that many people commit sins that objectively are grave but they don’t really intend to break their relationship with God, so they haven’t really committed a mortal sin even though what they did was grave matter.
You’d think so, but they are usually the ones in the worst conditions, because all of their knowledge puffs them up with pride. (1 Cor 8:1) So they are truly the blind leading the blind.It’s my hope and prayer that Pope Francis really will rebuild the Church, and make things simpler while he is at it. Reading this thread makes me wonder if the only ones who would have any inkling about whether they are in the state of grace are the intellectual elite.
“Those who commit mortal sin make a decision. Fully realizing that what they choose (the object of their decision) is seriously wrong, they decide with full freedom to do what they know, at least subconsciously, is fatal to their friendly relationship with God.”
(The words in italics are as they appear in the book. The quote is on page 148.)
That is a more workable definition of mortal sin than the whole issue was whether or not something was actually grave matter. IMO if you intentionally do something that you believe God would not like, then really what difference does it make whether it was grave matter? For example, I can speak angrily to a brother or sister in Christ, especially one I have some type of authority over, and separate myself from God every bit as much as a scared teenage girl who gets an abortion.It also says that since it is such a terrible act, it’s not committed lightly. And it goes on from there. It’s part of a great chapter I’ve read often through the years.
Yup, either way an about face is in order.IMO if you intentionally do something that you believe God would not like, then really what difference does it make whether it was grave matter?