Great Article on Vatican II

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I just finished reading this wonderful article from “the Rock” about Vatican II.

Please read: catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0307fea1.asp

That “Spirit of Vatican II” does not exist in this text. This article certainly answers many of my issues about the faults of Vatican II that do not really exist. All the abuses and falsehoods that stemmed from the Council really is not due to the Council but other reasons in my opinion.

I think the best way to summarize Vatican II is what the Church has always professed and believed modernized. That’s the best I can come up with.

Thank you to Catholic.com for these wonderful apologetic works.
 
Thanks for the link!! Here’s what stuck out to me:
And what kind of music should form the backbone of Catholic worship? The answer is quite direct: “The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services” (116).
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I have not once in my life ever heard Gregorian chant at mass. Not once! My mp3 player is stuffed full with it, and I am going to cry when one day I finally hear it in mass, and most likely jump up and down and say, I know this one!!!

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It is nothing but diabolical that the teachings of this Council should be hijacked by “left” or by “right”—and it is high time for the record to be set straight. So, if you:

-prefer a more extensive use of Latin in the sacred liturgy,
-are upset by liturgical experiments or practices such as lay distribution of Holy Communion or Communion in the hand,
-hold that God wants every human being to be a Catholic,
-can’t understand why religious wear lay attire,
-treasure the charism of priestly celibacy,
-think our seminaries have been derailed,
-find it difficult to comprehend the lack of support for Catholic schools,
-accept the teaching authority of the pope and bishops in union with him,
-accept the Gospel portraits of Jesus as real and historical,
-prefer to see laity representing Christ in the world rather than in the sanctuary,
-believe it is your responsibility to evangelize the world for Christ,
then rejoice, and stake your claim as a true disciple of the Second Vatican Council. And make sure to tell others who hold opposing positions to find another Church council to appeal to for their private projects and agendas.
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fish90 said:
I just finished reading this wonderful article from “the Rock” about Vatican II.

Please read: catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0307fea1.asp

That “Spirit of Vatican II” does not exist in this text. This article certainly answers many of my issues about the faults of Vatican II that do not really exist. All the abuses and falsehoods that stemmed from the Council really is not due to the Council but other reasons in my opinion.

I think the best way to summarize Vatican II is what the Church has always professed and believed modernized. That’s the best I can come up with.

Thank you to Catholic.com for these wonderful apologetic works.
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I liked it until the end, “stake your claim” part. That part was subjective and could be misleading.
 
Thanks for the link! I’ve added it to my “Favourites” list - I’m sure it’ll come in handy!
 
“Results since the (Vatican II) Council, seem to be in cruel contrast to the expectations of all, beginning with those of John XXIII and Paul VI. … The Popes and the Council Fathers were expecting a new Catholic unity, and instead one has encountered a dissension that – to use the words of Paul VI – seems to have gone from self-criticism to self-destruction. A new enthusiasm was expected, but too often there has been boredom and discouragement instead. A new leap forward was expected, but instead we find ourselves facing a process of progressive decadence. … It must be clearly stated that a real reform of the Church presupposes an unequivocal turning away from the erroneous paths that led to indisputably negative consequences.” – Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
 
ljubim said:
No… but now I do!
youtube.com/watch?v=Eb1_58hq3L4Dear Lord what a beautiful song! Thanks:thumbsup:

*Also notice how the comments are in like 7 different languages. Just goes to show you the unity that comes from Latin, it’s universal. Or at least was. 😦
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That polyphonic setting by Palestrina is one of the most beautiful. Many choirs will be working on that setting at the moment to get it ready for Advent! It is customary to replace the usual Marian Antiphon “Salve Regina” with “Alma Redemptoris” during Advent, so in our cathedral we’ll be singing it quite a lot in the coming weeks. We will use the plain-chant setting as our recessional hymn on at least two of the Sundays. This is the chant version from Youtube:
youtube.com/watch?v=W6vwh-XXLTU&feature=related
  • sung by one voice alone, but sung well; chant has a natural flow & should never be allowed to drag!
 
fish90 said:
I just finished reading this wonderful article from “the Rock” about Vatican II.

Please read: catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0307fea1.asp

That “Spirit of Vatican II” does not exist in this text. This article certainly answers many of my issues about the faults of Vatican II that do not really exist. All the abuses and falsehoods that stemmed from the Council really is not due to the Council but other reasons in my opinion.

I think the best way to summarize Vatican II is what the Church has always professed and believed modernized. That’s the best I can come up with.

Thank you to Catholic.com for these wonderful apologetic works.
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If people actually bothered to read the Council and try to understand it as a continuation of past teachings as is evident with all the footnotes to past Magisterial pronouncements, then there would be no problem or debate about the orthodoxy of the council. In regards to the liturgy, I have heard it said that the current translation of the mass and the way the mass is celebrated in many places is far removed from what the Council fathers had originally envisioned. It led Pope Paul VI to lament: “the smoke of Satan has entered the Church.”

Much work needs to be done to put the Council’s authentic spirit into practice. The Congregation of Divine Worship has ordered the ICEL to revise the english translation of the mass so that it reflect the Latin more accurately. There has also been a greater emphasis on bringing the use of some Latin back. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has made several decrees to clarify the meaning of the Council’s texts as well in regards to what it means to be called “Church” and whether or not it is necessary to enter the Church in order to be saved, etc. Still, there needs to be more work in the field of biblical exegesis. The Vatican desperately needs to order the Episcopal Conferences and individual bishops to stop approving erroneous bible commentaries and also to clean up the Catholic Universities of their bad influences. There also needs to be greater emphasis on the reality of sin in homilies and the need for the Sacrament of Confession, etc.
 
Roman_Army said:
If people actually bothered to read the Council and try to understand it as a continuation of past teachings as is evident with all the footnotes to past Magisterial pronouncements, then there would be no problem or debate about the orthodoxy of the council. …
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Well, here they are cin.org/vatiidoc.html .
 
fish90 said:
I just finished reading this wonderful article from “the Rock” about Vatican II.

Please read: catholic.com/thisrock/2003/0307fea1.asp

That “Spirit of Vatican II” does not exist in this text. This article certainly answers many of my issues about the faults of Vatican II that do not really exist. All the abuses and falsehoods that stemmed from the Council really is not due to the Council but other reasons in my opinion.

I think the best way to summarize Vatican II is what the Church has always professed and believed modernized. That’s the best I can come up with.

Thank you to Catholic.com for these wonderful apologetic works.
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very hopefull indeed. but where is the Church that follow these teachings?

the most disturbing that i found is that they say to trust the Bishops, yet i see a different picture of what the Bishops are doing. about the new Missal, the Bishops came against. they seem to want to keep things just the way they are. i dont see many Bishops here who want anything to be changed. you can correct me if i am wrong.
 
ljubim said:
No… but now I do!
youtube.com/watch?v=Eb1_58hq3L4Dear Lord what a beautiful song! Thanks:thumbsup:

*Also notice how the comments are in like 7 different languages. Just goes to show you the unity that comes from Latin, it’s universal. Or at least was. 😦
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the beauty that once was. a forgotten heritage. i think we are to far gone to go back. but i wish it would come back.
 
Roman_Army said:
If people actually bothered to read the Council and try to understand it as a continuation of past teachings as is evident with all the footnotes to past Magisterial pronouncements, then there would be no problem or debate about the orthodoxy of the council. In regards to the liturgy, I have heard it said that the current translation of the mass and the way the mass is celebrated in many places is far removed from what the Council fathers had originally envisioned. It led Pope Paul VI to lament: “the smoke of Satan has entered the Church.”

Much work needs to be done to put the Council’s authentic spirit into practice. The Congregation of Divine Worship has ordered the ICEL to revise the english translation of the mass so that it reflect the Latin more accurately. There has also been a greater emphasis on bringing the use of some Latin back. The Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has made several decrees to clarify the meaning of the Council’s texts as well in regards to what it means to be called “Church” and whether or not it is necessary to enter the Church in order to be saved, etc. Still, there needs to be more work in the field of biblical exegesis. The Vatican desperately needs to order the Episcopal Conferences and individual bishops to stop approving erroneous bible commentaries and also to clean up the Catholic Universities of their bad influences. There also needs to be greater emphasis on the reality of sin in homilies and the need for the Sacrament of Confession, etc.
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well said. thanks
 
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