Great Lent Starts Next Monday 2/20/12 (New Calendar)

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Just a friendly reminder to my fellow ECs who follow the New Calendar (not that the Church hasn’t prepared or reminded us enough already).

And admittedly a “prompt” for Q&A from our Latin Catholic friends as to why that is the case.

No Ash Wednesday for us! Our first day of Lent is referred to as Clean Monday, a day of strict fasting.
 
And for those of us on the Julian Calendar, the first day of Lent is Monday, February 27.
 
Actually doesn’t Great Lent start with Forgiveness Vespers the Sunday before?

side note:
I am always amused when I see something that has been around since the late 16th century called “New”.
 
Diak said:
And for those of us on the Julian Calendar, the first day of Lent is Monday, February 27.
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We wish you a spiritual Lenten journey, and great joy at its conclusion!

We continue to pray for the day we celebrate the Great Pasch in unity, on the same day!
 
ByzCath said:
Actually doesn’t Great Lent start with Forgiveness Vespers the Sunday before?
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For sure. 🙂
Reflection on Forgiveness Sunday by perhaps my favorite contemporary writer on such, +Fr. Alexander Schmemann

His entire book : Journey to PaschaGreat Lent is a must. Even we on the old calendar are already well into this Great Lent, AKA “pre-Lent”, since Zacchaeus Sunday right? 🙂 The book is partly available on googlebooks. Not enough… get the whole book. 👍
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I am always amused when I see something that has been around since the late 16th century called “New”.
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:rotfl:

Your “new calendar except old calendar for Pascha” sister. 🙂
 
The Sunday of Forgiveness is also known as Cheesefare Sunday. This is the last day that dairy products can be eaten before the Lenten fast. The full fast begins the following day on Clean Monday, the first day of Great Lent. On the evening of the Sunday of Forgiveness the Church conducts the first service of Great Lent, the Vespers of Forgiveness, a service that directs us further on the path of repentance and helps us to acknowledge our need for forgiveness from God and to seek forgiveness from our brothers and sisters in Christ. This is the first time that the Lenten prayer of St. Ephraim accompanied by prostrations is read. At the end of the service all the faithful approach the priest and one another asking for mutual forgiveness.
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Source: Greek Orthodox Archdioces of America website
lent.goarch.org/forgiveness/learn/
 
Greetings ByzCathCantor,

I will take the bait.

Why does everyone celebrate Easter on a different day? From what little I do know is that the Eastern Churches used the calendar before the Julian Calendar. And then some Eastern Churches that use the New Calendar, that matches up with the Latin Rite Calendar.

How do you guys calculate Easter? And does it matter that Easter is celebrated on different days between the rites. This is as far as I got. 😃 Hopefully it is a good start.

Oh and what’s Forgiveness Sunday?

Yikes I think that’s enough questions for now. 😛

God Bless,
Anathama Sit
 
ByzCathCantor said:
Just a friendly reminder to my fellow ECs who follow the New Calendar (not that the Church hasn’t prepared or reminded us enough already).

And admittedly a “prompt” for Q&A from our Latin Catholic friends as to why that is the case.

No Ash Wednesday for us! Our first day of Lent is referred to as Clean Monday, a day of strict fasting.
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When you say ‘follow the New calender’ do you mean the Gregorian Paschal calender/cycle also?

I know that many Orthodox use the New calender but do not use the gregorian/western date of Easter

Will your Easter be the same date as the Catholics or Orthodox?

Ive asked on the forums before but didnt quite understand the situation with the date of Eastern Catholic Easter,i think the answer was that some celebrate with the Orthodox date and some with the Catholic date,is that right?
 
Paul_theApostle said:
Ive asked on the forums before but didnt quite understand the situation with the date of Eastern Catholic Easter,i think the answer was that some celebrate with the Orthodox date and some with the Catholic date,is that right?
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Some Eastern Catholics Churches celebrate Pascha on the old (Julian) calendar which the Orthodox use. Other Eastern Catholic Churches celebrate on the new***** (Gregorian) Calendar which the Latin Church uses.

Both groups of Eastern Catholics are Catholic, as is the Latin Church. The Gregorian Calendar cannot be said to contain " the Catholic date" then can it? 🙂
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*****side note:
I am always amused when I see something that has been around since the late 16th century called “New”.
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P.S. Furthermore my Church is on the Byzantine calendar, this being the year 7520. 😃 :whacky:
 
5Loaves said:
Some Eastern Catholics Churches celebrate Pascha on the old (Julian) calendar which the Orthodox use. Other Eastern Catholic Churches celebrate on the new***** (Gregorian) Calendar which the Latin Church uses.

Both groups of Eastern Catholics are Catholic, as is the Latin Church. The Gregorian Calendar cannot be said to contain " the Catholic date" then can it? 🙂

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Your right sorry:)

i meant the Gregorian calender date;)

btw there is a Russian Catholic church nearby,they are under the melkites i think,do you know when their Easter might be?

or is it different for each parish?
 
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btw there is a Russian Catholic church nearby,they are under the melkites i think,do you know when their Easter might be?
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Are you by chance referring to Saint Andrew Russian Greek Catholic Church in El Segundo? If so their website calendar they listed 12 Feb as Meatfare Sunday which means they are on the new calendar.

If you have a commitment and so cannot go there on a Sunday, they list Presanctified Liturgy, 7:30 PM every Wednesday evening during Great Lent.
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or is it different for each parish?
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If you are asking about Russian Greek Catholics it is different. We have no heirarch and so are under Latin Bishops. (although we can see that churches like the UGCC with a heirarch also vary in different parishes whether they are on new or old calendar, or even like my Russian parish a combined “Revised Julian” calendar.)

In the case of Saint Andrew’s in El Segundo Father Alexei is priest to both St Andrew’s and St Paul’s Melkite so probably they are both on the same calendar. Likewise SS Cyril and Methodius Russian Byzantine Catholic in Denver is served by the priest of St. Elizabeth of Hungary Catholic Church I see nothing on their website or their Facebook to indicate they are on different calendars so likely SS Cyril and Methodius is on the calendar the Latin Church is using.

St. Michael’s Russian Catholic Church NYC indicates on their Facebook they had Meatfare the 12th so are on the new calendar.

Hmmm, I guess that means that my parish is alone amongst the Russians in No America as being on the old calendar for Pascha. I definitely prefer it, since we have such close ties to Orthodox parishes for other services many of us go to at those Russian Orthodox Churches.
 
5Loaves said:
Are you by chance referring to Saint Andrew Russian Greek Catholic Church in El Segundo? If so their website calendar they listed 12 Feb as Meatfare Sunday which means they are on the new calendar.

If you have a commitment and so cannot go there on a Sunday, they list Presanctified Liturgy, 7:30 PM every Wednesday evening during Great Lent.

If you are asking about Russian Greek Catholics it is different. We have no heirarch and so are under Latin Bishops. (although we can see that churches like the UGCC with a heirarch also vary in different parishes whether they are on new or old calendar, or even like my Russian parish a combined “Revised Julian” calendar.)

In the case of Saint Andrew’s in El Segundo Father Alexei is priest to both St Andrew’s and St Paul’s Melkite so probably they are both on the same calendar. Likewise SS Cyril and Methodius Russian Byzantine Catholic in Denver is served by the priest of St. Elizabeth of Hungary Catholic Church I see nothing on their website or their Facebook to indicate they are on different calendars so likely SS Cyril and Methodius is on the calendar the Latin Church is using.

St. Michael’s Russian Catholic Church NYC indicates on their Facebook they had Meatfare the 12th so are on the new calendar.

Hmmm, I guess that means that my parish is alone amongst the Russians in No America as being on the old calendar for Pascha. I definitely prefer it, since we have such close ties to Orthodox parishes for other services many of us go to at those Russian Orthodox Churches.
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Ok

No I dont live in America unfortunately,i wish i did

im in Australia and there is a small Russian Cath community which uses a small chapel in the back buildings of a Latin Catholic church St Brigids

they are with the melkites and therye church is called St Nicholas
 
Paul_theApostle said:
Will your Easter be the same date as the Catholics or Orthodox?

Ive asked on the forums before but didnt quite understand the situation with the date of Eastern Catholic Easter,i think the answer was that some celebrate with the Orthodox date and some with the Catholic date,is that right?
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In the U.S. for Byzantine-Ruthenians, Easter is the same date as Roman Catholics.

In the “Old Country”, however, our cousins of the Eparchy of Mukachevo celebrate on the Old Calendar, as do all other Eastern Catholics and Orthodox in the Ukraine.

I also remember reading that the Orthodox Church in Finland uses the New (Gregorian) Calendar.

So, the usage varies in both the Eastern Catholic and Orthodox Churches.
 
Mickey said:
I believe they are the only Orthodox Church which does this.
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Hello Mickey!

That is very likely. From what I read of the Orthodox Church in Finland (while there on a business trip some time ago), it seems as if there were secular reasons for this - namely, consistency of legal holidays, some of which are tied to Christian religious observances.
 
ByzCathCantor said:
From what I read of the Orthodox Church in Finland (while there on a business trip some time ago), it seems as if there were secular reasons for this - namely, consistency of legal holidays, some of which are tied to Christian religious observances.
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Interesting.
 
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