Greater Threat to Humanity: Abortion or Global Warming

[pumpkinbeast]

Any belief system that states that one human is “better” than another human is a lot more dangerous to humanity than abortion. However, abortion can be a manifestation of the that too, as one can use abortion for eugenics.

Abortion is DEFINATELY a manifestation of that! Anyone pro-abortion essentially says that anyone born is somehow worth more than one unborn. Belief that abortion is okay IS a belief system that says that one human is ‘better’ than another.

It’s worse than most kinds of racism, in a way, because the unborn have not one single way of protecting themselves. Black people being persecuted by white supremicists, for example, could band together and fight back, possibly. But an unborn child is utterly, totally helpless unless someone else tries to protect it.

 

[YADA]

Abortion is the greatest threat to humanity. Our humanity is diminished each and every time an innocent child is murdered in the womb. Abortion is the antithesis of any ‘humane’ act.

As for the global warming alarmists…I have always been curious about the tropical fossils that have been found in northern and southern climes upto and including the pole areas. This tropical climate that existed in the areas of the polar ice caps existed far before man ever walked the earth [according to the fossil records and geologic dating]. What caused that ‘global warming’? How did the earth recover from that warming trend?

On a planet that had yet to see the advent of man, the industrial revolution, the internal combustion engine and 20th century consumerism, we had tropical plants and wildlife in the polar regions…

How can this be? Solar activity, Volcanic activity, vegetation burning, meteor showers, axis rotation shifts, dinosaurs, bovine produced gases, aliens from outer space, the future birth of George Bush? What was it?

I know, lets kill off a few more infants in the womb that will solve everything…

I do not think so…red Herring arguement…

And when Robert Kennedy Jr [and the rest of the global alarmists] begins attending environmmental summits via video connection instead of priavte jet, then we will really be able to talk. Now they hold them in places like Brazil, were the experts from all over the globe have to travel the infrastructure is not capable to handle the influx of people and needs to be fixed up. The poor are transported out into the country side do hide the abject poverty and corruption of the governmemnt, etc.

 

[Erich]

BTW - a mere 15000 years ago an ice sheet 2 miles thick covered most of the northern hemisphere. Now it’s gone. Did man have anything to do with this?

Can anyone tell my why Greenland is called Greenland and not, say, Whiteland? Could it maybe have something to do with all the vegetation that was growing there – and the lack of ice sheets – when it was discovered (way before the Industrial Revolution, I might add)?

 

[estesbob]

Both are important. Both affect the life of the unborn and lives of the already born.

We are given domain over God’s creations and that does not mean destroying it by our own selfish living.

Even the wackiest alarmist preditions in Global Warming do not even come come to the carnage already caused by abortion.

 

[bongperocho]

Define your terms. I am sure you don’t mean abortions are not man made.

• Kathie :bowdown:

hi kathie,
"abortion is a spiritual cancer"I mean it as more than killing humanity also killing our spiritual consciousness and responsibilities to OUR GOD not to kill humanbeings.

 

[Eddy]

What does children dying in poverty have to do with abortion?

I was replying to this comment from Cygnus

‘Those children that you cite aren’t dying of poverty. They’re dying of inept, socialist, kleptocratic governments that must be overthrown (Mugabe’s Zimbabwe and the chaos in the Sudan, for two). All they know or care about is keeping themselves in power. What sort of trade do they have, fair or otherwise?’

I was arguing that if we’re pro-life, we have to pro ALL life, and that means caring as passionately about that a child dies every three seconds of poverty.

 

[Al_Masetti]

While statistics indicate there is a warming trend, the jury is very much out on whether this is a natural cycle or a man-made phenomenon. Part of the problem is that we have no sense of history; how can we possibly know whether last year was The Hottest Year Ever? Who was around in 5822 BC to measure otherwise? God asked Job that sort of question in Job 38:4. Some people’s sense of history ended with last night’s newscast.

On PBS last night, there was a show on a volcano that may erupt in the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo. It puts out more CO2 emissions that the world’s automobiles in a year. And those CO2 emissions could kill 2 million people if they seep up suddenly before an eruption. How does that factor into global warming? There have been volcanoes since creation.

I think the global warming hysteria is just that, hysteria ginned up by people who subsist via grant funding (see also: embryonic stem cell research).

I respectfully disagree with your other points:

Those children that you cite aren’t dying of poverty. They’re dying of inept, socialist, kleptocratic governments that must be overthrown (Mugabe’s Zimbabwe and the chaos in the Sudan, for two). All they know or care about is keeping themselves in power. What sort of trade do they have, fair or otherwise?

Who gets to decide what is and is not “environmentally responsible?” Do you not realize how much money goes into designations like this? Is “environmental responsibility” nothing more than a transfer of wealth?

“God has harsh words for those who harm the poor”? Are you saying that if I drive an SUV, I harm the poor? That makes about as much sense as the bumper stickers I saw about 25 years ago: “When you buy a foreign car, 10 Americans lose their jobs.” Never knew I had so much impact on this planet; maybe God should come see me for advice. And what difference does it make if a few scared meteorologists drive tiny cars? Not all meteorologists feel that way:

http://www.coxandforkum.com/archives/07.01.25.FoulWeather-X.gif

The bottom line is this: All of this is moot if we slaughter children first and never give them a chance at life to begin with, so to me that’s most important. The rest is debatable.

Where DID you get that GREAT cartoon??!!

Fabulous!

• Al

 

[Cygnus_X1]

Where DID you get that GREAT cartoon??!!

Fabulous!

• Al

Thank Cox and Forkum, great conservative cartoonists.

 

[estesbob]

I was replying to this comment from Cygnus

‘Those children that you cite aren’t dying of poverty. They’re dying of inept, socialist, kleptocratic governments that must be overthrown (Mugabe’s Zimbabwe and the chaos in the Sudan, for two). All they know or care about is keeping themselves in power. What sort of trade do they have, fair or otherwise?’

I was arguing that if we’re pro-life, we have to pro ALL life, and that means caring as passionately about that a child dies every three seconds of poverty.

Again the fact you belive that poverty killsa child every three seconds has nothing to do with abortion. And although you may feel that one who is pro-life must care about this as much as abortion that is just your opinion and come dangerously close to the rationalization the pro-abortion crowds uses stateing that Pro-life people dont care about the child once it is born.

 

[estesbob]

Can anyone tell my why Greenland is called Greenland and not, say, Whiteland? Could it maybe have something to do with all the vegetation that was growing there – and the lack of ice sheets – when it was discovered (way before the Industrial Revolution, I might add)?

It was all PR. When the Scandanavians discovered and populated Iceland they called it Iceland becuase of its beatiful glaciers-even thoughit has about the same climate as Scandanavia. They had hard time convincing people to move becuase of the name. SO when they wanted to populate Greenland thay called it that so as to convnce people to move there even though the reality was the climate was much harsher than Scandaavia. It was, however, wammer then than it is now.

 

[Cygnus_X1]

I guess I’ll choose to listen to my meterological expert friends first. This is not a new trend - it was an issue at least 15 years ago - I studied it at school.

And I think I personally need to be conscious that it’s always easier to look at the sin in others lives rather than my own. It’s easier to think badly of the sin we’re never ourselves likely to commit, and consider our own less important. I’ve had to think long and hard about what my lifestyle costs the world, and I’m having to work, day on day, at addressing that sin in my life.

Being energy conscious doesn’t cost more money. It costs me, and the environment, a lot less. And I get to meet my neighbours on the bus!

As for the comment that children don’t die of poverty. I’m sorry, but that level of ignorance of global trade patterns doesn’t even merit a response. Go read the work of Trocaire, Concern, Christian Aid, MCC (I’m sure there are U.S. equivalents, but I don’t know their names). And failing that, go and live in Tanzania for 10 years. Of course there are corrupt governments, but when it comes to trading patterns, they aren’t limited to the developing world.

Eddy, your guilt and self-flagellation may be admirable on some level, but you exaggerate your own importance and impact on the world. You and I could not destroy this planet if we wanted to.

You may have my vehicle when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers. For me, having my own vehicle means freedom. Freedom to live and work (and worship) where I want, not where I’m told I must. If that’s the world you want, I feel sorry for you. (And I guess those in the developing nations will be told they can’t have this freedom either.)

The world needs more free trade – and more capitalism – not less. That would likely alleviate many of the poverty problems. And how did Tanzania fall in the economic hole it did? Socialism! I rest my case.

And, by the way, more capitalism would also take care of the environment. People don’t trash what they own. For example, how much filth did the Eastern European Communist countries belch into the sky with their inefficient state-run factories, hm? You put way too much faith in governments, as did Bob Geldof and as does Bono.

When it comes to helping the poor, I support Cross International, which bypasses governments and goes straight to the people who need help.

 

[Al_Masetti]

I saw a couple of graphs that showed the earth’s temperture and sunspot activity.

solar-center.stanford.edu/sun-on-earth/varsun.html

http://solar-center.stanford.edu/images/solactivity.jpg

In any case, as to the question at hand, anyone with a moral compass can see the difference between slaughterin innocent children and the temperature rising a few degrees.

I’m pulling this graph to the top of the stack, 'cause I found an interesting new / recent discussion about it on www.climatechangedebate.org

I will post some stuff on it … gotta leave for Mass … will return.

But if you all sign up to receive the e-discussions, you can read all about it.

More later.

• Al

 

[Eschato]

Its, funny that I should come across this thread right now.

 I woke up in the middle of the night last night after having a dream where I was given a three inch fetus to protect. A family member and I nourished it for about three days. At this point, we had both become quite fond of it, but since it hadn't developed a digestive system yet, I had to give it a lay baptism to ready it for death. It whispered in my ear as it died and that is why I woke up at 4:30 this morning.

 That said, I don't recall ever having read a death certificate with "Cause of Death: Global Warming" written on it. Sure, people die because it is too hot. People die because it is too cold as well. More people are killed by people. That cannot be refuted. It has always, and will always be that way.

 

[Erich]

It was, however, wammer then than it is now.

Right. According to Wikipedia’s History of Greenland,

Excavations show that there were considerable birch woods with trees up to 4 to 6 meters in the area around the inner parts of the Tunuliarfik- and Aniaaq-fjords, the central area of the Eastern settlement, and the hills were grown with grass and willow brushes. This was due to the medieval climate optimum. The Norse soon changed the vegetation by cutting down the trees to use as building material and for heating and by extensive sheep and goat grazing during summer and winter. The climate in Greenland was much warmer during the first centuries of settlement but became increasingly colder in the 14th and 15th centuries with the approaching period of colder weather known as the Little Ice Age.

Hmm, if cutting down trees to use as building material and for heating is all it takes to bring on a little ice age, then shouldn’t we be seeing the same effect in the Amazon jungle?

 

[pumpkinbeast]

Right. According to Wikipedia’s History of Greenland,

Hmm, if cutting down trees to use as building material and for heating is all it takes to bring on a little ice age, then shouldn’t we be seeing the same effect in the Amazon jungle?

There were probably far to many factors involved in whatever caused the Little Ice Age to conclude cutting down trees = decrease in temperature.

 

[Sandi]

Oh, no question about it – global warming.

 

[harinkj]

Oh, no question about it – global warming.

-Kathie :bowdown:

 

[pnewton]

Oh, no question about it – global warming.

Being a Catholic website, can you support this from the catechism, Church teaching or anything else remotely Catholic?

 

[Erich]

There were probably far to many factors involved in whatever caused the Little Ice Age to conclude cutting down trees = decrease in temperature.

Yes, of course, I realize that… But when I posted that, I was picturing in the back of my mind the reaction of anyone who might mis-interpret my musing as a “call” to mow down the jungle

 

[st_lucy]

Oh, no question about it – global warming.

So the murder of millions is not a concern even if it is happening as we speak. But the possible death of those in the future is of way more concern.

Please help me out with this train of thought.

Save those who are dying now or save those who could possible die in some unforseen future. Hmmm tha is a hard one.