Greater Threat to Humanity: Abortion or Global Warming

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Precisely! In fact, in a recent Gallup Poll, I believe it was less than 20% of scientists surveyed believe that humans have any impact on “Global Warming.” And less than 15% believe that it can lead to anything catastrophic. You wouldn’t know it by watching the Communist News Network.
Why should I believe anything said by someone who is such a hopelessly biased observer of contemporary reality as to think that CNN is in any way Communist?

If Lou Dobbs is a Communist by your standards, then maybe your “20%” is my “100%.” One would be as likely as the other. . . .

Edwin
 
Why should I believe anything said by someone who is such a hopelessly biased observer of contemporary reality as to think that CNN is in any way Communist?

If Lou Dobbs is a Communist by your standards, then maybe your “20%” is my “100%.” One would be as likely as the other. . . .

Edwin
Yes, it’s true that referring to CNN as the Communist News Network might be inappropriate.

However, CNN has, in fact, admitted that they deliberately covered up Saddam’s atrocities. …Which would suggest that they were actually doing Saddam’s propaganda work for him.

So, you really have to admit that perhaps CNN’s credibility might be somewhat lacking.

At the very least, folks interested in the global warming debate, particularly which is worse (abortion or global warming), should treat themselves to an alternative point of view.

I would suggest that folks interested in looking at different perspectives on global warming should visit

junkscience.com/
 
Global Warming is just an issue to make government bigger than it already is currently. Pro-Global Warming people want more of your tax money to go to the government because they feel they know how to spend your money better than you do.

Even if Global Warming were true (and it isn’t!) there is not much we can do about it. With Abortion we can save 4,000 lives every day. Abortion is today’s only big real issue. God will take care of the rest if we take care of abortion.
 
Why should I believe anything said by someone who is such a hopelessly biased observer of contemporary reality as to think that CNN is in any way Communist?

If Lou Dobbs is a Communist by your standards, then maybe your “20%” is my “100%.” One would be as likely as the other. . . .

Edwin
Oh calm down Edwin. It was just a joke. The fact that it touches a nerve with you makes me wonder why. CNN is, in fact, incredibly biased, despite having Lou Dobbs. And while it is a joke, I don’t think it is a stretch to say that the majority of liberals on CNN are pushing a socialist, big government agenda. Does it mean they are all Communists? No! That’s why it was a joke. Does it mean that CNN is a credible news channel? Heck no! If you believe CNN’s account of anything political in nature, you are naive. And to hold Lou Dobbs up as the general rule for CNN is plain and simple disingenuous. Dobbs is clearly an oddity with that network. Care to disagree?
 
Global Warming is just an issue to make government bigger than it already is currently. Pro-Global Warming people want more of your tax money to go to the government because they feel they know how to spend your money better than you do.

Even if Global Warming were true (and it isn’t!) there is not much we can do about it. With Abortion we can save 4,000 lives every day. Abortion is today’s only big real issue. God will take care of the rest if we take care of abortion.
In the interest of truth, accuracy and the American Way, those 4000 daily abortions are merely the AMERICAN abortions. I have not seen what the worldwide number of daily abortions is, but I am sure it is a very large number.

The global warming fears and alarms are global, but the 4000 abortion numbers are not global.

[We need to come up with a Global Abortion Number.]
 
Well, since the THEORY of Global Warming is still in dispute, and is at the very heart of this question, I am waiting for a scientific proof that is indeed US that are destroying the Earth. Otherwise, your comment is completely irrelevant.
Only corrupt pseudoscientists in the pay of the oil lobby are still trying to pretend that nothing is wrong.
Listren to liars and fools if you choose, but you will thereby become the same laughing stock as them.
Even GWB is worried now!
 
Only corrupt pseudoscientists in the pay of the oil lobby are still trying to pretend that nothing is wrong.
Listren to liars and fools if you choose, but you will thereby become the same laughing stock as them.
Even GWB is worried now!
Woo-hoo!!!

“corrupt pseudoscientists”

“oil lobby”

“liars and fools”

“laughing stock”

PF [prejorative factor] = 5
 
Only corrupt pseudoscientists in the pay of the oil lobby are still trying to pretend that nothing is wrong.
Listren to liars and fools if you choose, but you will thereby become the same laughing stock as them.
Even GWB is worried now!
Oh please! Global Warming advocates have just as much, if not MORE, to gain by pushing this stuff on us. You don’t think new energy resources appeal to greedy folks? If you want to call reasonable people by the name of “laughing stock,” it shows your intolerance and close-mindedness. I don’t personally find the “scientific” claims for global warming to be terribly convincing. If that makes me a “fool” in your eyes, I would be interested in what you think about my stance on the origins of the planet or on other moral issues. Either way, I find it interesting that Science as a Religion pushers can have such infallible beliefs about scientific theories. Very interesting.

And btw, what the heck does Bush have to do with this? Bush is also liberal on the borders. Does that mean that he’s right? Of course not! I am not a Republican, I am a Conservative. Bush only speaks for me when he is Conservative in his message.
 
Let’s put it this way. In the last fifty years, it is estimated that we have killed over one billion babies worldwide via abortion. How many people have died due to “Global Warming?”
 
I was recently faced with this thought as I argued with my friend over why I think abortion is worse than the current situation we are in concerning global warming. For this very reason, she is justifying voting for a democrat whose platform will be to fight global warming. Could anybody help me with an arguement?

Thanks

Phil
How do we know for a **fact **that global warming would be a bad thing? Yes, there would be flooding but people can move from the coast/low lying areas, no one has to stay there. We would consume less fuel in heating homes. The growing season would be longer providing more food to the world.

I also like to cite the Ice age. The dinosaurs didn’t do anything to change the climate, yet it changed. Its pretty self-centered for us to think that we can effect such a drastic change on the planet.

I believe that we are to care for the earth, clean air, clean water etc. But I also believe, as a Christian, that God holds us in His hands. He provided us with a home suitable for us and will continue to do so (despite us) until it is time for the earth to end.

Jesus didn’t say whatever you do to the enviornment you do to me. Abortion murders a human being, made in God’s image, who Jesus would call “the least of my people” MT 25:31-46
 
I would say Genocide has got to be the worse crime.

Abortion is so heinous it makes every other crime and every other criminal even international criminals, pale into insignificance.

How can we condemn the Nazi’s for the hollocaust when we now have our own and worse.

I think abortion is a grave provocation of the Creator. Perhaps global warming is not only man made but our just desserts
 
Don’t sweat global warming - the science is simply not there. Statistically speaking, climatology is still too new of a science to accurately understand the climate; there are millions of factors we may not even be considering in these computer models. Even if we are having an impact, which is credibly disputed, it is highly unlikely “reducing” emissions, or even eliminating emissions, will have any effect on the climate.

The science really does not back up the rhetoric. And no, neither power points of melting ice and polar bears nor supposed consensuses count as legitimate science.
 
How do we know for a **fact **that global warming would be a bad thing? Yes, there would be flooding but people can move from the coast/low lying areas, no one has to stay there. We would consume less fuel in heating homes. The growing season would be longer providing more food to the world.

**I might also add that due to such a temperature increase the range of anopholine mosquitoes (and hence malaria) would also be drastically moved northward. Think too of dengue fever and the other so-called “tropical” diseases. One of the main reasons they’re not so prevalent in temperate climates is because their vectors are sensitive to cold winters.

And keep in mind that in the tropics, falciparian malaria alone (there are four different types) has a mortality rate of over 50%.

Keep in mind too that increased temperatures would also logically affect things like rainfall patterns. And we have ample evidence that rainfall patterns are important to agriculture; in 1315-1317, Europe suffered a terrible famine because there was so much rain all of the crops mildewed in the fields before they could be harvested. Think of what would happen if the rainfall patterns shifted, leaving the breadbaskets of the world too dry to support agriculture.

This is a good thing? This is consistent with a pro-life position? The lives of whom?

Zirconia

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How do we know for a **fact **
that global warming would be a bad thing? Yes, there would be flooding but people can move from the coast/low lying areas, no one has to stay there. We would consume less fuel in heating homes. The growing season would be longer providing more food to the world.

**I might also add that due to such a temperature increase the range of anopholine mosquitoes (and hence malaria) would also be drastically moved northward. Think too of dengue fever and the other so-called “tropical” diseases. One of the main reasons they’re not so prevalent in temperate climates is because their vectors are sensitive to cold winters. **

And keep in mind that in the tropics, falciparian malaria alone (there are four different types) has a mortality rate of over 50%.

**Keep in mind too that increased temperatures would also logically affect things like rainfall patterns. And we have ample evidence that rainfall patterns are important to agriculture; in 1315-1317, Europe suffered a terrible famine because there was so much rain all of the crops mildewed in the fields before they could be harvested. Think of what would happen if the rainfall patterns shifted, leaving the breadbaskets of the world too dry to support agriculture. **

This is a good thing? This is consistent with a pro-life position? The lives of whom?

Zirconia


Well, since we are bringing up theoretical situations, what would happen if aliens from a far away land wanted to take over the Earth? I guess we should spend a lot of time thinking about and preparing for such a scenario. Let’s dump trillions into developing weapons that could destroy any alien invaders. Afterall, we are “pro-life” and this potential situation could threaten all of humanity. :rolleyes:
 
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Well, since we are bringing up theoretical situations, what would happen if aliens from a far away land wanted to take over the Earth? I guess we should spend a lot of time thinking about and preparing for such a scenario. Let’s dump trillions into developing weapons that could destroy any alien invaders. Afterall, we are “pro-life” and this potential situation could threaten all of humanity. :rolleyes:
Coldiretti, a farming group in Italy, has been describing how it is now possible to grow olive trees in Northern Italy, up near the Alps. Olive trees require a mild, Mediterranean climate to grow, something not historically found near the Alps. They have also described seasonal shifts, and alterations in rainfall patterns (fewer but more intense rainstorms).

Studies have been performed showing the slow creep of mountain life to higher altitudes to find the cool temperatures that used to be prevalent at lower altitudes, and the cloud forests of Costa Rica are slowly dying.

And, out here in California, we are in the midst of a drought, and the hills have not even turned green yet because there is no rain for the plants, and we are in the midst of what is supposed to be the rainy season. Last summer the mercury hit 113 degrees, and this winter was one of the harshest on record, with the citrus freezing. You can expect oranges to triple in price in the near future. Don’t tell me the weather hasn’t gone crazy… :rolleyes:

Zirconia
 
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Coldiretti, a farming group in Italy, has been describing how it is now possible to grow olive trees in Northern Italy, up near the Alps. Olive trees require a mild, Mediterranean climate to grow, something not historically found near the Alps. They have also described seasonal shifts, and alterations in rainfall patterns (fewer but more intense rainstorms).

Studies have been performed showing the slow creep of mountain life to higher altitudes to find the cool temperatures that used to be prevalent at lower altitudes, and the cloud forests of Costa Rica are slowly dying.

And, out here in California, we are in the midst of a drought, and the hills have not even turned green yet because there is no rain for the plants, and we are in the midst of what is supposed to be the rainy season. Last summer the mercury hit 113 degrees, and this winter was one of the harshest on record, with the citrus freezing. You can expect oranges to triple in price in the near future. Don’t tell me the weather hasn’t gone crazy… :rolleyes:

Zirconia
This is completely irrelevant. How in the world does that PROVE global warming? To prove the theory of global warming, one must not only show that the EARTH as a whole (not just California) has risen in temperature, but also that this is due to man. I have no problem admitting that the average temperature of the Earth has risen in the last century, albeit minimally. However, science has no ability to show that this is not simply a cyclical process that occurs every 1000 years or so, which in fact many scientists believe.

The fact that you cite California as proof of global warming just shows how ethnocentric and egocentric Americans are. For every California, there is a Buffalo, New York. Are you now going to tell me that Buffalo getting about 14 feet of snow a week or two ago is proof of a coming ice age? :rolleyes:
 
I think global warming is a very REAL issue. Just that I am not convinced it is man’s activities which is the primary culprit.

It may be due to natural events, for example we are coming out of the last ice-age. How can we be sure this is not the cause?

Abortion is a holocaust. It has reached epidemic proportions. I think that will prove to be the biggest downfall to humanity.👍
 
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