Greater Threat to Humanity: Abortion or Global Warming

[Sixtus]

hink global warming is a very REAL issue. Just that I am not convinced it is man’s activities which is the primary culprit.

It may be due to natural events, for example we are coming out of the last ice-age. How can we be sure this is not the cause?

The Abortion holocaust has reached epidemic proportions. I think that will prove to be the biggest downfall to humanity.

 

[Joe_Stong]

The disaster in New Orleans was entirely a man-made disaster thanks to 40 years of nepotism and one party control of the State and City governments… the storm was big of course, but there’s no reason other than politics for a city of that size and budget to not have built (in the 40 years they were building levies) a perfectly sound sytem.

The fact that 2006 came and went without similar hurricanes just goes to show that Global Warming - if it’s real and if it’s man-made is anything but predictable.

Finally as re: the pro-life question, it’s because we Catholic value human life that we value the earth and its resources and seek to be good stewards. The environmentalist wackos who belief in Global Warming as though a given, ‘for sure’ apocalypse have not been shy in proclaiming a culling of humanity as the ‘cure’ to placate Mother Nature (what a bloodthirsty god these people constantly worship!).

Their ‘solutions’ ALWAYS INVOLVE some people dying either before or after birth! And they always involve the growth of a monster State system to control and organize this slaughter on a ‘scientific scale’.

If this isn’t anti-Christ what is?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Go tell that in New Orleans.

Now there’s a snappy comeback for you!

Riddle me this – if Hurricane Katrina is proof of Global Warming (man-caused, at that), how come the lack of hurricanes the following season isn’t proof of global cooling?

By the way, how many people died in Hurricane Katrina? How many people died from abortions in the same period?

 

[Redbandito]

Now there’s a snappy comeback for you!

Riddle me this – if Hurricane Katrina is proof of Global Warming (man-caused, at that), how come the lack of hurricanes the following season isn’t proof of global cooling?

By the way, how many people died in Hurricane Katrina? How many people died from abortions in the same period?

Exactly! Thank God there are still reasonable people in this world. Good post Vern.

 

[Zirconia]

Zirconia;1932452:

This is completely irrelevant. How in the world does that PROVE global warming? To prove the theory of global warming, one must not only show that the EARTH as a whole (not just California) has risen in temperature, but also that this is due to man. I have no problem admitting that the average temperature of the Earth has risen in the last century, albeit minimally. However, science has no ability to show that this is not simply a cyclical process that occurs every 1000 years or so, which in fact many scientists believe.

The fact that you cite California as proof of global warming just shows how ethnocentric and egocentric Americans are. For every California, there is a Buffalo, New York. Are you now going to tell me that Buffalo getting about 14 feet of snow a week or two ago is proof of a coming ice age?

Didn’t realize Italy and Costa Rica were part of California…

Now let me make myself a little more clear.

Growing olive trees near the Alps is a sign that something about the climate has changed; plants and animals migrating to higher elevations is another sign that something about the climate has changed: it has gotten warmer!

I cite California as an example of the changing climate, because its extremes are not normal either, just like it is abnormal to be growing olives near the Alps and wine grapes in England. The analogy from Buffalo, New York, is flawed because it is perfectly normal for Buffalo and the surrounding region to get snow in February.

But it is not perfectly normal for this region to be in the midst of a multi-year drought, and it is certainly abnormal to have weeks of triple-digit temperatures in the summer and weeks of below-freezing temperatures in the winter in a place known for its Mediterranean climate and not known for temperature extremes either way. If this were normal, no one would be growing temperature sensitive crops either here or in the Central Valley. Places known for their iffy climates are not usually the ones that have billion-dollar citrus industries. Is the climate changing? Based on firsthand experience of trends toward drier years and increased temperature extremes, I would say that it is.

Based on evidence from agricultural trends in Europe and ecological trends in Central America, I would say that it is; based on evidence from the Caribbean, where coral reefs are dying because the water is too warm for them, I would say that it is.

And I live and work in California, along with forty million other people, why should I not be concerned about it?

Zirconia

 

[Al_Masetti]

Redbandito;1934016:

Didn’t realize Italy and Costa Rica were part of California…

Now let me make myself a little more clear.

Growing olive trees near the Alps is a sign that something about the climate has changed; plants and animals migrating to higher elevations is another sign that something about the climate has changed: it has gotten warmer!

I cite California as an example of the changing climate, because its extremes are not normal either, just like it is abnormal to be growing olives near the Alps and wine grapes in England. The analogy from Buffalo, New York, is flawed because it is perfectly normal for Buffalo and the surrounding region to get snow in February.

But it is not perfectly normal for this region to be in the midst of a multi-year drought, and it is certainly abnormal to have weeks of triple-digit temperatures in the summer and weeks of below-freezing temperatures in the winter in a place known for its Mediterranean climate and not known for temperature extremes either way. If this were normal, no one would be growing temperature sensitive crops either here or in the Central Valley. Places known for their iffy climates are not usually the ones that have billion-dollar citrus industries. Is the climate changing? Based on firsthand experience of trends toward drier years and increased temperature extremes, I would say that it is.

Based on evidence from agricultural trends in Europe and ecological trends in Central America, I would say that it is; based on evidence from the Caribbean, where coral reefs are dying because the water is too warm for them, I would say that it is.

And I live and work in California, along with forty million other people, why should I not be concerned about it?

Zirconia

There is evidence that droughts are periodic, and seem to follow the (roughly) 11-year solar cycle.

 

[Al_Masetti]

The disaster in New Orleans was entirely a man-made disaster thanks to 40 years of nepotism and one party control of the State and City governments… the storm was big of course, but there’s no reason other than politics for a city of that size and budget to not have built (in the 40 years they were building levies) a perfectly sound sytem.

The fact that 2006 came and went without similar hurricanes just goes to show that Global Warming - if it’s real and if it’s man-made is anything but predictable.

Finally as re: the pro-life question, it’s because we Catholic value human life that we value the earth and its resources and seek to be good stewards. The environmentalist wackos who belief in Global Warming as though a given, ‘for sure’ apocalypse have not been shy in proclaiming a culling of humanity as the ‘cure’ to placate Mother Nature (what a bloodthirsty god these people constantly worship!).

Their ‘solutions’ ALWAYS INVOLVE some people dying either before or after birth! And they always involve the growth of a monster State system to control and organize this slaughter on a ‘scientific scale’.

If this isn’t anti-Christ what is?

The disaster in New Orleans made the headlines; the same hurricane hit the adjacent states, such as Mississippi, equally hard, and yet they seemed to be able to deal with it … or at least, didn’t make the headlines.

Could the ability or inability to cope with hurricanes have partisan roots? [Meaning that were members of one political party better able than those of another politival party to deal with the “issues”?]

[Come to think of it, could the same statement (political affiliation) also be made about dealing with the “abortion issue”?]

 

[Larry1700]

Thank goodness that global warming won’t matter after 2029. An asteroid is headed for Earth, and is expected to strike on April 13, of that year.

The only problem is that the U.N. has been tasked to find a solution to stop the asteroid. Soooo…
if the U.N. passes enough resolutions condemning the impending impact, the asteroid will be stopped, and global warming will remain a problem!

 

[vern_humphrey]

You seem not to know many things, and this seems deliberate.

It was not a hurricane, as an ordinary hurricane that destroyed New Orleans, it was an extra fierce hurricane fullowing closely on the heels of another.

Katrina was a Category 3. Hurricanes go up to Category 5 in intensity.

And if this pair of hurricanes is evidence of Global Warming, what are we to make of the lack of hurricaines this season?

Look at the strength of hurricanes, and their frequency.

And how many hurricanes did we have in 2006?

The hurricane season was supposed to be finnished when this super-hurricane struck New Orleans.

There are none so blind as them who will not see.

Except those who see what is not there.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Thank goodness that global warming won’t matter after 2029. An asteroid is headed for Earth, and is expected to strike on April 13, of that year.

The only problem is that the U.N. has been tasked to find a solution to stop the asteroid. Soooo…
if the U.N. passes enough resolutions condemning the impending impact, the asteroid will be stopped, and global warming will remain a problem!

There might be a shortage of lawn chairs; 'cause everyone will want to get out there and watch our impending doom. (They don’t have a smiley face for assuming the position.) [Hiding in the basement probably won’t help much.]

 

[vern_humphrey]

There might be a shortage of lawn chairs; 'cause everyone will want to get out there and watch our impending doom. (They don’t have a smiley face for assuming the position.) [Hiding in the basement probably won’t help much.]

C’mon. You saw how the UN reacted to Hurricane Katrina and shored up the levies and prevented the city from flooding, didn’t you?

 

[Potato1]

OK Yug,
The bottom line is this:
Chaotic and extreme weather will become more common, and the Ice caps will become thinner, and may indeed disappear.
The opening of the ‘North West Passage’ will be a definite warning to us all, and that will prelude major changes in ocean circulation.
This change will be disasterous to Europe, but will probably not freeze America, however, locking up huge amounts of ice in Europe, which belong at the poles may unbalance the earth, and cause the crust to shift on the axis. There is evidence that this has occurred before.
There is also the further worry that removing the ice caps will cause isostatic equilibrium change, causing the polar crust to rise, and consequently the equatorial crust to sink.
This will reduce the equitorial circumference, and dramatically increase activity on the East/West subduction zones, notably San Andreas, and Indonesea. Increased activity there is also a warning.

LOL Wow I’d better hide then.

 

[Larry1700]

Redbandito;1931757:

Coldiretti, a farming group in Italy, has been describing how it is now possible to grow olive trees in Northern Italy, up near the Alps. Olive trees require a mild, Mediterranean climate to grow, something not historically found near the Alps. They have also described seasonal shifts, and alterations in rainfall patterns (fewer but more intense rainstorms).

But isn’t there evidence of similar agricultural changes throughout history? I recall something about Europeans not being able to grow grapes in a certain region for hundreds of years, then they were able to do so later (or vice versa – I need to find the source, I know). The point is, that this is not new, and as pointed out previously, solar cycles have been definitively linked to climate changes. The only new thing is that we’re now living in a “blame humans first” world.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Zirconia;1932452:

But isn’t there evidence of similar agricultural changes throughout history? I recall something about Europeans not being able to grow grapes in a certain region for hundreds of years, then they were able to do so later (or vice versa – I need to find the source, I know). The point is, that this is not new, and as pointed out previously, solar cycles have been definitively linked to climate changes. The only new thing is that we’re now living in a “blame humans first” world.

During the Medieval Optimum (which ended in the 1300s) the world was warmer and more fruitful that it is today.

 

[Al_Masetti]

Zirconia;1932452:

But isn’t there evidence of similar agricultural changes throughout history? I recall something about Europeans not being able to grow grapes in a certain region for hundreds of years, then they were able to do so later (or vice versa – I need to find the source, I know). The point is, that this is not new, and as pointed out previously, solar cycles have been definitively linked to climate changes. The only new thing is that we’re now living in a “blame humans first” world.

Visit a town by the name of Leptis Magna. Halfway between Tripoli and Benghazi, in Libya. It used to be a huge grain and olive oil export port city. Might have been around 60,000 people… don’t hold me to the population census]. Now, however, the desert is right up to the Med (or it was, the last time I visited.)

So, YES, there have been a LOT of climate changes … probably all natural.

 

[Valke2]

Oh, no question about it – global warming.

agree

 

[Rach620]

Thank goodness that global warming won’t matter after 2029. An asteroid is headed for Earth, and is expected to strike on April 13, of that year.

The only problem is that the U.N. has been tasked to find a solution to stop the asteroid. Soooo…
if the U.N. passes enough resolutions condemning the impending impact, the asteroid will be stopped, and global warming will remain a problem!

Today’s news: that asteroid will miss Earth by 10-12 Earth Radii (40-70K miles). No mass extinction event in our future!

msnbc.msn.com/id/6751433/

…back to the topic at hand…

 

[Larry1700]

Today’s news: that asteroid will miss Earth by 10-12 Earth Radii (40-70K miles). No mass extinction event in our future!

msnbc.msn.com/id/6751433/

…back to the topic at hand…

Darn! Sorry to hear that! It might have taken care of the global warming issue. (You know — meteorite hits Earth, kicks up a lot of dust into the atmosphere and blocks out the Sun.) Looks like we’re back to taking care of it ourselves.

Hmmm…I wonder if there’s anything about solving this problem on the DIY Network???

 

[Lance]

Abortion is legal at the mo. It’s our duty to try and change that by having the best argument.

Global warming is killing people now and will get worse. It’s relatively easy to do stuff about that-- to take responsibility for your own carbon footprint, walk a little more instead of driving, try and recycle, put a jumper on instead of having the heating up full wack-- stuff like that.:

How many people has global warming killed? I need proof not just your opinion. I also need proof that global warming is man made, not just opinion. I believe that we should do the things you suggest and I do them not so much because of global warming but because I don’t have the money to waste on oil and in my town the recycled garbage is picked up for free, we have to pay for the stuff that goes into the land fill.

Both are serious considerations for Catholics. I would add that voting Mr. Bush into power has not stopped abortion.

No one I know ever said it would, but we are much closer to overturning Roe v Wade because of his Supreme Court appointments. Overturning Roe will not stop abortion, it will just send it back to the states to determine if they want to allow abortion or not.

Are you implying that Bush is responsible for global warming? If so where is your proof?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Today’s news: that asteroid will miss Earth by 10-12 Earth Radii (40-70K miles). No mass extinction event in our future!

msnbc.msn.com/id/6751433/

…back to the topic at hand…

And this is brought to you by the same government agency that lost a Mars probe because they used feet instead of meters in some of their calculations.