Greek Septuagint update!

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You should not tempt God. You should not try to create laws for him to follow, like telling him he is not to change the scriptures.
You are aware that we Christians, especially Catholics, have more in the Holy Sciptures than just the Hebrew Scriptures?

We could not take what you say as then we would need to get rid of many books of Scriputre.

Also those who say that the Scriptures must be read in a certain language do not trust in the Holy Spirit.

You have not explained why Christian should listen to rabbis yet, espeically when they mis-interpret Scripture and miss the Messiah.

I understand your view, but it is not a view that Christians should hold to.

So I do not understand why you are commenting here at a Christian (Catholic) forum.
 
So I do not understand why you are commenting here at a Christian (Catholic) forum.
Well, the forum is open to non-catholics, and I am learning about catholic culture. But, it is a mistake to present catholicism as a house of cards, that will fall apart by giving my comments honest consideration.
 
Well, the forum is open to non-catholics, and I am learning about catholic culture. But, it is a mistake to present catholicism as a house of cards, that will fall apart by giving my comments honest consideration.
Except, what you’re proposing isn’t even christian, let alone Catholic.
 
Well, the forum is open to non-catholics, and I am learning about catholic culture. But, it is a mistake to present catholicism as a house of cards, that will fall apart by giving my comments honest consideration.
I do not see how we can give your comments any kind of consideration when you put those comments forward as an authority which Catholics do not acknowledge and then act upset when we do so.
 
I do not see how we can give your comments any kind of consideration when you put those comments forward as an authority which Catholics do not acknowledge and then act upset when we do so.
I’m cool as a cucumber, and confident of what I have posted. If you need an authority on scripture talk to a Rabbi. Rabbis are closer to the source.
 
Sorry I do not follow what you are telling me.
You suggested that the only authorative teacher of the OT at a minimum, and actually by extention the new testament since the OT is the new testament proclaimed, and the NT is the OT reveled, are Jewish Rabbi’s. That is not a Christian belief.
 
I’m cool as a cucumber, and confident of what I have posted. If you need an authority on scripture talk to a Rabbi. Rabbis are closer to the source.
Again, as stated in the post above, this is not a Christian belief.

Rabbis are not closer to the source. They misinterpret a great part of the Old Testament that speaks of Christ and the Messiah.
 
You suggested that the only authorative teacher of the OT at a minimum, and actually by extention the new testament since the OT is the new testament proclaimed, and the NT is the OT reveled, are Jewish Rabbi’s. That is not a Christian belief.
I have never been confirmed as a christian, but I am being honest.🙂
 
Again, as stated in the post above, this is not a Christian belief.

Rabbis are not closer to the source. They misinterpret a great part of the Old Testament that speaks of Christ and the Messiah.
It simply is not reasonable to think that Rabbis misinterpret their own tradition. Jewish tradition is essential to the whole enterprize of christianity, past, present and future. When Messiah comes he will reign in Israel.

Jews say that when the Messiah is found on earth, there is no reason for a Jew to go anywhere. If people say that the Messiah is at the sports stadium, don’t go there, stay home…
 
It simply is not reasonable to think that Rabbis misinterpret their own tradition. Jewish tradition is essential to the whole enterprize of christianity, past, present and future. When Messiah comes he will reign in Israel.

Jews say that when the Messiah is found on earth, there is no reason for a Jew to go anywhere. If people say that the Messiah is at the sports stadium, don’t go there, stay home…
Christ very directly told them exactly this, in fact this was one of the major themes of his ministry. That the Scribes and Pharasies (the teachers of the day) had it wrong. If you’ve read the NT, it’s very difficult to miss.
 
Christ very directly told them exactly this, in fact this was one of the major themes of his ministry. That the Scribes and Pharasies (the teachers of the day) had it wrong. If you’ve read the NT, it’s very difficult to miss.
Even today, a Rabbi was declared the Messiah before he died, and when he died, his followers said he would be resurrected in three days. It didn’t happen, and then they have developed second comming ideas, just like the early Jews who believed Jesus was Messiah.
 
Why so hateful?

Didn’t you know that it was the Rabbis that created the septuagint. The Rabbis created the text while under persecution. The whole text comes through the Rabbis.

Jesus said to depend on their knowledge of the scriptures. Hebrew only lives through Rabbis. If they should be taken away, in a very short time, no one would know what the scriptures say.
Wrong!
“The oldest and most important of all the versions made by Jews is that called “The Septuagint” (“Interpretatio septuaginta virorum” or “seniorum”). It is a monument of the Greek spoken by the large and important Jewish community of Alexandria; not of classic Greek, nor even of the Hellenistic style affected by Alexandrian writers. If the account given by Aristeas be true, some traces of Palestinian influence should be found; but a study of the Egyptian papyri, which are abundant for this particular period, is said by both Mahaffy and Deissmann to show a very close similarity between the language they represent and that of the Septuagint, not to mention the Egyptian words already recognized by both Hody and Eichhorn. These papyri have in a measure reinstated Aristeas (about 200 B.C.) in the opinion of scholars. Upon his “Letter to Philocrates” the tradition as to the origin of the Septuagint rests. It is now believed that even though he may have been mistaken in some points, his facts in general are worthy of credence (Abrahams, in “Jew. Quart. Rev.” xiv. 321). According to Aristeas, the Pentateuch was translated at the time of Philadelphus, the second Ptolemy (285-247 B.C.), which translation was encouraged by the king and welcomed by the Jews of Alexandria. Grätz (“Gesch. der Juden,” 3d ed., iii. 615) stands alone in assigning it to the reign of Philometor (181-146 B.C.). Whatever share the king may have had in the work, it evidently satisfied a pressing need felt by the Jewish community, among whom a knowledge of Hebrew was rapidly waning before the demands of every-day life.”

Read more: jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1035&letter=B#ixzz0VRSqGhO7
 
Wrong!
“The oldest and most important of all the versions made by Jews is that called “The Septuagint” (“Interpretatio septuaginta virorum” or “seniorum”). It is a monument of the Greek spoken by the large and important Jewish community of Alexandria; not of classic Greek, nor even of the Hellenistic style affected by Alexandrian writers. If the account given by Aristeas be true, some traces of Palestinian influence should be found; but a study of the Egyptian papyri, which are abundant for this particular period, is said by both Mahaffy and Deissmann to show a very close similarity between the language they represent and that of the Septuagint, not to mention the Egyptian words already recognized by both Hody and Eichhorn. These papyri have in a measure reinstated Aristeas (about 200 B.C.) in the opinion of scholars. Upon his “Letter to Philocrates” the tradition as to the origin of the Septuagint rests. It is now believed that even though he may have been mistaken in some points, his facts in general are worthy of credence (Abrahams, in “Jew. Quart. Rev.” xiv. 321). According to Aristeas, the Pentateuch was translated at the time of Philadelphus, the second Ptolemy (285-247 B.C.), which translation was encouraged by the king and welcomed by the Jews of Alexandria. Grätz (“Gesch. der Juden,” 3d ed., iii. 615) stands alone in assigning it to the reign of Philometor (181-146 B.C.). Whatever share the king may have had in the work, it evidently satisfied a pressing need felt by the Jewish community, among whom a knowledge of Hebrew was rapidly waning before the demands of every-day life.”

Read more: jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=1035&letter=B#ixzz0VRSqGhO7
This quote does not contradict my post. Why do you believe it does?
 
Didn’t you know that it was the Rabbis that created the septuagint. The Rabbis created the text while under persecution. The whole text comes through the Rabbis.

Jesus said to depend on their knowledge of the scriptures. Hebrew only lives through Rabbis. If they should be taken away, in a very short time, no one would know what the scriptures say.
LXX was not created under duress.the text would never have been created without the backing of the king.Whatever share the king may have had in the work, it evidently satisfied a pressing need felt by the Jewish community, among whom a knowledge of Hebrew was rapidly waning before the demands of every-day life."
 
(geometer) you are beginning to sound foolish, please don’t derail this thread with hogwash.
After scanning the 55 + posts in this thread, this one is the most relevent.

Back on topic, thanks for providing the links!

I’ll add it to my ‘hot list’. :thankyou:
 
It simply is not reasonable to think that Rabbis misinterpret their own tradition. Jewish tradition is essential to the whole enterprize of christianity, past, present and future. When Messiah comes he will reign in Israel.

Jews say that when the Messiah is found on earth, there is no reason for a Jew to go anywhere. If people say that the Messiah is at the sports stadium, don’t go there, stay home…
The Rabbis interpretation is different than Jesus and the Apostles. This tradition you speak of was the tradition of Jesus and the Apostles. So we have two groups with different interpretations. I, and all Christians, choose to follow the interpretations of Jesus and the Apostles, so yes, we believe that the Rabbis have misinterpreted the Scriptures.

It is very reasonable to think so as when you have two groups with different interpreations, one must be right which makes the other wrong.

You will not be able to convince anyone here that Jesus and the Apostles got it wrong.
 
Even today, a Rabbi was declared the Messiah before he died, and when he died, his followers said he would be resurrected in three days. It didn’t happen, and then they have developed second comming ideas, just like the early Jews who believed Jesus was Messiah.
So now you are telling us that Jesus did not rise from the dead after three days?

You are in the wrong place to try and convince us that Jesus was not what he said he was.

With this post you lost what little credibility you had with me.
 
Even today, a Rabbi was declared the Messiah before he died, and when he died, his followers said he would be resurrected in three days. It didn’t happen, and then they have developed second comming ideas, just like the early Jews who believed Jesus was Messiah.
The Massiah already came, his name is Jesus Christ. The “Jews who believed in Jesus” are today called “Christian”, and there is another sec we call “Messianic Jewish”, which is ethnic Jewish but Christian. It’s clear that you’ve been rather disengeniously trying to debate Christian doctrine with out actually accepting them your self. Please, now openly state your faith.
 
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