When you get an idea from Scripture, you get an idea on the authority of the Holy Spirit. He inspired the Scriptures to express exactly what He wanted, and He always referred to Himself and the other Persons as masculine… Hmmm…Tell me who Made the idea that Our Father is the Most Masculine…?
Who makes all the ideas, in the first place?
I love a challenge =)
If you’re not sure Why I said something, then it probably wasn’t meant for you, no worries =)When you get an idea from Scripture, you get an idea on the authority of the Holy Spirit. He inspired the Scriptures to express exactly what He wanted, and He always referred to Himself and the other Persons as masculine… Hmmm…
aionion.To get around the problem of the English Bibles translating Greek words into “eternal,” “forever,” and forevermore" when describing fire (Matt. 18:8) or torment (Rev. 20:10), the universalists go to the Greek.
you are missing the point in my original post I asked a question about the word αιὼνιον and how it translates into english most biblical translations when it deals with this word it says eternal or eternity. An example passage would Christ’s parable about serving the least of these means serving Christ and those who did something for them will inherit αιὼνιον life and those who don’t will be thrown into the αιὼνιον fire.carm.org/look-word-aionion can give you a little more direction.
Quoting from the above link:
aionion.
It’s a word that means a lot of things to a lot of people. What do you think it means?
Actually I’m not missing the point at all. I’m a Natural Language Programer, and I write AI for a living. There’s no such thing as “random” (another good word to add to the discussion)… at least not the way most people use it… Even in Chaos, there are patterns that people can see the first time, because it just looks like a mess, doesn’t mean you should get scared and run away.you are missing the point in my original post
And that is the point of a discussion, to see how other people see, think and feel, about words. How do ~you~ think? That’s a pertinent question as wellIt would be like saying how does the word Bible translate into Latin, and someone came in there are multiple translation what ever it means to you is how you should translate it.
I’m talking about the translation of a specific greek word not how that word makes you feel.Actually I’m not missing the point at all. I’m a Natural Language Programer, and I write AI for a living.
And that is the point of a discussion, to see how other people see, think and feel, about words. How do ~you~ think? That’s a pertinent question as well.
As a translator, I put everything I am, into my work. You started a discussion, but want to leave it, when it doesn’t fit your preconceived notions about what a discussion is. I’m trying to share my perspectives with you, which is what I thought was the original point of the thread.I don’t think a translator would let feelings affect his translation.
As a translator, I Do think about how I feel about the words I’m translating. It’s important to do so, so you get the translations right, in the contexts they were given. That’s why, even though it’s nice to go back and look at the original Greek or Latin, phrases, it doesn’t make much sense to get stuck there. We can’t go back and ask those folks, what they meant, when they said it, and why.I’m talking about the translation of a specific greek word not how that word makes you feel.
When given multiple meanings of a word (some scholars think A (eternal) is closer to the actual meaning of the word (aionion) while others think B (everlasting) is closer) isn’t it possible that the true meaning is somewhere in between and there is no exact 1-1 translation into English? Or simply create an English word that has the characteristics, such as we did for the word “benedicere” (literally translated as “speak well of,”) which we know today as “bless.”greetings anyone who has a good background in greek and can explain to me why aionion when used in the scripture (sometimes aionios) should be translated as eternal or everlasting?
carm.org/look-word-aionion can give you a little more direction.
Quoting from the above link:
aionion.
It’s a word that means a lot of things to a lot of people. What do you think it means?
Yes sorry I should have been clearerWhen given multiple meanings of a word (some scholars think A (eternal) is closer to the actual meaning of the word (aionion) while others think B (everlasting) is closer) isn’t it possible that the true meaning is somewhere in between and there is no exact 1-1 translation into English? Or simply create an English word that has the characteristics, such as we did for the word “benedicere” (literally translated as “speak well of,”) which we know today as “bless.”
As I’ve stated before, English is a great analytic tool and I agree with Viktoria to a point where sometimes more than one word, perhaps a phrase, is necessary to convey the original meaning. I too have done translations, mostly in the dental labs where I worked. Also consider that the Greek itself may be a translation from Hebrew or Aramaic or even Latin (there was a Vetus Latina after all) so as we keep translating we are becoming more and more removed from the original. In many cases it is probably better to leave a word or phrase untranslated or develop some kind of English cognate, as we did with the word “consubstantial.” It may not be understandable to many, but any errors in translation are at least kept to a minimum.
With good reason.taken from the above link I don’t know about the reliability of the greek.
complete article at godsplanforall.com/translations…
Mistranslations of the Hebrew word owlam and the Greek words aion and aionios, to mean forever or everlasting when relating to God’s judgement of unbelievers and fallen angels.
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