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I’ve been getting into a debate with a co-worker who is a JW over the accuracy of their translation. How are the original Greek texts available for scholars to translate? How did the writers of the NWT get access to them? Any help with this would be great.
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I’ve been getting into a debate with a co-worker who is a JW over the accuracy of their translation. How are the original Greek texts available for scholars to translate? How did the writers of the NWT get access to them? Any help with this would be great.
Jeff
We do not have the “original” texts of the bible (Hebrew Old Testament or Greek New Testament). However, the oldest surviving copies we have of the New Testament are in Greek and the correlation between the many copies from various centuries we do have with one another testifies to their accuracy. Same with the Hebrew scriptures - we don’t have the originals, but we have early Greek translations (Septuagint) and early (relatively) Hebrew copies - again, their consistency with each other, and with fragments of the Dead Sea scrolls recently found, testify to their authenticity.

When doing serious bible study - it is useful, when using an English translation - to go back to the “Greek” (NT) or “Hebrew” (Old Testament) (or Greek Septuagint Old Testament) to see what words were used in the original. You can use a reverse interlinear bible to do this. Actually, scholars surmise that a number of books in the NT may have been written in Aramaic and then translated into Greek - but we don’t know for sure.

As to the JW translation - its some secretive - the names of the translators have not been revealed and so its difficult to access their ability to faithfully translate at all. In any event, one can compare their “English translation” to the Greek texts to demonstrate anomalies including some passages relating to key doctrinal issues (e.g., the Trinity).

Blessings,

Brian
 
What authority has possession of the early surviving texts?
Jeff
 
What authority has possession of the early surviving texts?
Jeff
Copies are in the custody of various libraries and private collections around the world. Codex Sinaiticus, for example, is in pieces in four institutions, the British Library, the University of Leipzig, the National Library of Russia, and St Catherine’s Monastery. Nevertheless, you can find page-by-page images of it online. So is the case with practically all important and early copies.

Rarely do two copies agree letter-by-letter, so scholars prepare critical editions that give what seems to be the original form of the text along with significant variations found. For example, the United Bible Societies puts out a handy edition that lists the variations that would affect how the text should be translated without burdening the reader with minor variations that don’t change the meaning.

I recommend getting a copy of the New World Translation so that you can read the introductory material to find out how that translation was prepared. If you ask nicely, maybe your friend will give you one for free 🙂
 
I’ve been getting into a debate with a co-worker who is a JW over the accuracy of their translation. How are the original Greek texts available for scholars to translate? How did the writers of the NWT get access to them? Any help with this would be great.
Jeff
The original Greek texts are not available.
 
I’ve been getting into a debate with a co-worker who is a JW over the accuracy of their translation. How are the original Greek texts available for scholars to translate? How did the writers of the NWT get access to them? Any help with this would be great.
Jeff
Of course the original papyrus and parchment written on by such Bible writers as Moses and Matthew have long since disintegrated. The best we have is fragments of copies of copies.
Even the most careful copiest will make mistakes, and once translation into other languages, plus the evolving of languages gets put into the mix, it is hard to be certain exactly what was originally written in places. Hence we have many translations of God’s word.

However, with the discovery of more and more ancient manuscripts (the dead sea scrolls in the 1950’s for example) and modern scholars finding it easier to compare other existing copies from around the world - many mistakes have been identified. (All copiests will make mistakes, but they will not all make the same ones.)

So modern scholars have been able to assemble “master texts” which are as close as possible to what the original writings would have been. By comparing the many copies and fragments to each other.

The New World Translation (the one JW’s prefer and publish) used Kittel’s “Biblia Hebraica” for it’s Hebrew text, and Westcott and Horts text for the Greek. These are respected master texts which formed the foundation, but many other available texts were consulted. Wikipedia lists them all.
The ever increasing field of Biblical scholarship continues to be used to make amendments when necessary.

I was rather sceptical of the whole “we’ve produced our own translation” thing. I don’t know much about Greek, but comparing the English of John 1:1 with the Greek showed even me the NWT is often more accurate than many other translations.

And a few years ago I devoured a book by a proffesor named Jason Beduhn called “truth in translation” in which he compared texts in 9 major Bible translations with the original Greek to see if they were bias. BeDuhn reported that the New World Translation was “not bias free”, but emerged “as the most accurate of the translations compared”, and thus a “remarkably good translation”, adding that “most of the differences are due to the greater accuracy of the NW as a literal, conservative translation”

Thomas Winter, an instructor of Greek at the University of Nebraska, considered the Interlinear Translation of the Greek to be a “highly useful aid toward the mastery of koine (and classical) Greek,” adding that the translation “is thoroughly up-to-date and consistently accurate.”

Wikipedia quotes several other scholars on the accuracy of the translation.
 
I’ve been getting into a debate with a co-worker who is a JW over the accuracy of their translation. How are the original Greek texts available for scholars to translate? How did the writers of the NWT get access to them? Any help with this would be great.
Jeff
The original manuscripts are not available. The earliest complete transcription is from about A.D. 1000. All of the transcriptions from the originals were done by The Catholic Church.

BTW, the JW translators had a very poor knowledge of Greek. The ‘Beginning Apologetics’ series has a great pamphlet on how to answer JW’s. You can find it here:
shop.catholic.com/product.php?productid=33&cat=0&page=1
 
What authority has possession of the early surviving texts?
Jeff
The Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus are among the oldest surviving nearly complete Greek manuscripts. They are both from the 4th century. Codex Sinaticus is in the British Meseum and the Codex Vaticanus, as the name implies, is in The Vatican.
 
For those interested, here is the entire Codex Sinaiticus online. The website is very fascinating, because parts of the text reside in four different libraries and museums around the world. Until this website was completed last year, it was impossible to see the entire thing in one place:

codexsinaiticus.org/en/
 
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