See post 17.Sources please
Bekkos died in 1297. He was forced to abdicate in January 1283, having retreated to a monastery at the end of 1282 due to the accession of the anti-unionist Andronikos II.
Ah. I stand corrected.
Wikipedia isn’t really considered the most reliable source of information so I hope you checked the sources quoted in the articles. I will try to spend a bit of time looking at them over the weekend. I’m just with my phone at the moment so I’m not going to read your links just yet. Suffice to say that the claim that the Orthodox communion is just a little older than Protestantism is naive at best.
I’m not claiming Orthodoxy began just before Protestantism, only that its modern incarnation did. I agree, wikipedia’s not the best. Novacastrian has already corrected one bit of information I found on there, I expect many more corrections are to come.
I heard this view expressed here too. How viable is such method? Is there some kind of a survey or referendum? Can the populace really reach a consensus? Could the populace overrule the patriarch or a Council? In this case they could. I think it is really unique to have the populace to come up with one mind.
Likewise!Ah. I stand corrected.
Again, I welcome further constructive criticism so that I can get my facts straight.
The union was rejected by the Church. This is often presented as the laity only, but it ignores the monks, priests and other bishops not present at the council who resoundingly rejected the council.
I suppose one could ask you the question: do the Catholic faithful have a responsibility to defend orthodoxy? If your bishop openly taught something which you understood to be contrary to the Catholic faith, would you say nothing? Just wait for Rome to eventually intervene? Or would you in some way protest?
Certainly, we do have that responsibility, and we would protest. But we ourselves do not have the authority to correct the bishop. We would usually appeal to a higher authority (which in a bishop’s case, would be the Vatican itself) and request that said authority confront the bishop.
I am not talking about the union. Is this generl orthodox practice.
There are two sides to every story, as the saying goes.
This is interesting. Yes, we can protest certain action of the priests of Bishops. We could even write to the Vatican. But those are on individual or corporate basis and they cannot overturn a Council decision. Hopefully, the hierarchies take action. But for the populace rejecting a Council decision, I have not heard of that. Simply because it is impossible to arrive on a consensus. Yes, there will be those who object but there would be people who support – so who are the hierarchy to follow?
Goodness, I hadn’t twigged that it was ‘that’ article. It has to be one of the worst I’ve seen from any Catholic writer. It is shameful that it remains online as a supposedly credible source. Now that I think about it, that is probably the source of the claim that Orthodoxy is barely older than Protestantism.
For the Church to reject error? Of course. However the manner in which it is often presented, as just the laity having the final say, is not an accurate description of the events following Florence, which is what I was trying to point out.
Sorry, I didn’t realize it was that bad of a source. That’s where the claim came from. I retract it. Hopefully, no harm done.
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