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adawgj
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I’ve always wanted to have a scapular. But i can’t decide if I should get the green scapular or the brown scapular. Which one do you prefer?
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tee_eff_em
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robwar
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I use both. You don’t have to limit yourself to one or the other.
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E_7
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Hubby and I use the brown scapular.
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Holly3278
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I wear a Fivefold Scapular which includes a Brown Scapular but not a Green Scapular.
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Isaiah45_9
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My Mom gave me a brown one. So brown 
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adawgj
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Errr I can’t decide my favorite color is green. But according to the video post on this thread the green is almost pointless if it only erases venial and not mortal.
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tee_eff_em
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Mea culpa, the video was meant facetiously (which I’d hoped the
would communicate). 
I have no idea what is the difference between the two scapulars, but I would be surprised if that was the extent of it.
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The_Wanderer
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I wear a brown scapular.
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AllSeasons
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My fiance and I both wear the brown scapular. We got the green scapular for my parents, though.
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RuthTherese
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I wear the brown scapular, but I’ve thought about adding the green…
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NextElement
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Currently wearing a brown Mt. Carmel one 
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billcu1
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I’ve been pondering this myself. I know the brown scapular takes a priest to give you some kind of ceremony to use it. The green I don’t think is like that. I can’t afford a real brown scapular and don’t know if you can simply carry it or not. Don’t you have to wear it in public? Or at least under your clothing?
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fred_conty
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Here is the information on the Brown Scapular.
carmelites.ie/Periodicals/citw2004.1.htm
Four years ago the Provincials of the Carmelites in the United States, both the Discalced Carmelites and the Carmelites of the Ancient Observance issued the following catechesis regarding the Brown Scapular of Our Lady, of Mount Cannel. In order to make it clear that this catechesis was entirely faithful to the teaching of the Church, they asked for and received the Imprimatur of James, Cardinal Hickey, then Archbishop of Washington. We plan to print many of the official documents on the Scapular over the next several years to keep our readers up to date on official Church teaching on this Carmelite devotion.
The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Cannel is best understood in the context of our Catholic faith. It offers us a rich spiritual tradition that honours Mary as the first and foremost of her Son’s disciples. This scapular is an outward sign of the protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary, our sister, mother and queen. It offers an effective symbol of Mary’s protection to the Order of Carmel—its members, associates, and affiliates—as they strive to fulfil their vocation as defined by the Carmelite Rule of Saint Albert: “to live in allegiance to Jesus Christ.”
While Christ alone has redeemed us, the Blessed Virgin Mary has always been seen by Catholics as a loving mother and protector. The Blessed Virgin has shown her patronage over the Order of Carmel from its earliest days. This patronage and protection came to be symbolized in the scapular, the essential part of the Carmelite habit.
Stories and legends abound in Carmelite tradition about the many ways in which the Mother of God has interceded for the Order, especially in critical moments of its history. Most enduring and popular of these traditions, blessed by the Church, concerns Mary’s promise to an early Carmelite, Saint Simon Stock, that anyone who remains faithful to the Carmelite vocation until death will be granted the grace of final perseverance. The Carmelite Order has been anxious to share this patronage and protection with those who are devoted to the Mother of God and so has extended both its habit (the scapular) and affiliation to the larger Church.
Private revelation can neither add to nor detract from the Church’s deposit of faith. Therefore, the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel echoes the promise of Divine Revelation: The one who holds out to the end is the one who will see salvation (Matthew 24:1 3), and Remain faithful unto death and I will give you the crown of life (Revelation 2:10). The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is a reminder to its wearers of the saving grace which Christ gained upon the cross for all: All you who have been baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves in him (Galatians 3:27). There is no salvation for anyone other than that won by Christ. The Sacraments mediate this saving grace to the faithful. The sacramentals, including the scapular, do not mediate this saving grace but prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches.
Sacramentals do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. For well-disposed members of the faithful, the liturgy of the sacraments and sacramentals sanctifies almost every event of their lives with the divine grace which flows form the Paschal mystery of the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ. From this source all sacraments and sacramentals draw their power (CC 1670).
We see, therefore, that the Church clearly teaches that all grace, including that of final perseverance, is won for us by the Passion, Death and Resurrection of the Lord. Simply wearing the Brown Scapular does not confer that same result.
What is the relationship of the Carmelite Order to the Brown Scapular?
The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is the habit of the Carmelite Order For the religious members of the Order it takes the form of two long, undecorated panels of brown cloth joined at the shoulders and falling, one to the front and one to the back. For the laity it takes the form of a two smaller pieces of brown or dark cloth, preferably plain, joined over the shoulder by ribbons, and falling, one to the back, the other to the front. As the Order’s habit, the scapular signifies some degree of affiliation to the Carmelites.
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carmelites.ie/Periodicals/citw2004.1.htm
Four years ago the Provincials of the Carmelites in the United States, both the Discalced Carmelites and the Carmelites of the Ancient Observance issued the following catechesis regarding the Brown Scapular of Our Lady, of Mount Cannel. In order to make it clear that this catechesis was entirely faithful to the teaching of the Church, they asked for and received the Imprimatur of James, Cardinal Hickey, then Archbishop of Washington. We plan to print many of the official documents on the Scapular over the next several years to keep our readers up to date on official Church teaching on this Carmelite devotion.
The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Cannel is best understood in the context of our Catholic faith. It offers us a rich spiritual tradition that honours Mary as the first and foremost of her Son’s disciples. This scapular is an outward sign of the protection of the Blessed Virgin Mary, our sister, mother and queen. It offers an effective symbol of Mary’s protection to the Order of Carmel—its members, associates, and affiliates—as they strive to fulfil their vocation as defined by the Carmelite Rule of Saint Albert: “to live in allegiance to Jesus Christ.”
While Christ alone has redeemed us, the Blessed Virgin Mary has always been seen by Catholics as a loving mother and protector. The Blessed Virgin has shown her patronage over the Order of Carmel from its earliest days. This patronage and protection came to be symbolized in the scapular, the essential part of the Carmelite habit.
Stories and legends abound in Carmelite tradition about the many ways in which the Mother of God has interceded for the Order, especially in critical moments of its history. Most enduring and popular of these traditions, blessed by the Church, concerns Mary’s promise to an early Carmelite, Saint Simon Stock, that anyone who remains faithful to the Carmelite vocation until death will be granted the grace of final perseverance. The Carmelite Order has been anxious to share this patronage and protection with those who are devoted to the Mother of God and so has extended both its habit (the scapular) and affiliation to the larger Church.
Private revelation can neither add to nor detract from the Church’s deposit of faith. Therefore, the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel echoes the promise of Divine Revelation: The one who holds out to the end is the one who will see salvation (Matthew 24:1 3), and Remain faithful unto death and I will give you the crown of life (Revelation 2:10). The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is a reminder to its wearers of the saving grace which Christ gained upon the cross for all: All you who have been baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves in him (Galatians 3:27). There is no salvation for anyone other than that won by Christ. The Sacraments mediate this saving grace to the faithful. The sacramentals, including the scapular, do not mediate this saving grace but prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches.
Sacramentals do not confer the grace of the Holy Spirit in the way that the sacraments do, but by the Church’s prayer they prepare us to receive grace and dispose us to cooperate with it. For well-disposed members of the faithful, the liturgy of the sacraments and sacramentals sanctifies almost every event of their lives with the divine grace which flows form the Paschal mystery of the Passion, Death, and Resurrection of Christ. From this source all sacraments and sacramentals draw their power (CC 1670).
We see, therefore, that the Church clearly teaches that all grace, including that of final perseverance, is won for us by the Passion, Death and Resurrection of the Lord. Simply wearing the Brown Scapular does not confer that same result.
What is the relationship of the Carmelite Order to the Brown Scapular?
The Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel is the habit of the Carmelite Order For the religious members of the Order it takes the form of two long, undecorated panels of brown cloth joined at the shoulders and falling, one to the front and one to the back. For the laity it takes the form of a two smaller pieces of brown or dark cloth, preferably plain, joined over the shoulder by ribbons, and falling, one to the back, the other to the front. As the Order’s habit, the scapular signifies some degree of affiliation to the Carmelites.
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fred_conty
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Six practical ways of affiliation ate recognized by the Carmelite Order:
If a person wears the scapular, but has no formal association to the Order, does that person still gain the benefits associated with the scapular?
A person who wears the scapular and practices the spirituality of the Carmelite Order has an affiliation, loose as it may be, to the Carmelite family and so shares in the graces traditionally associated with the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. However, simply to wear the scapular without accepting the responsibilities attached to it would be to reduce this precious sacramental to the status of a charm or good-luck piece.
What is this Carmelite spirituality that one must practice in order to have an affiliation with the Carmelite Order?
The spirituality of the Carmelite Order is one of the pre-eminent spiritual traditions of the Catholic Church. It is difficult to reduce this spirituality to a few sentences. One who wears the scapular should certainly reflect upon the teachings of the great Carmelite saints, three of whom are doctors of the Church.
A few basic introductory principles of Carmelite spirituality would be;
Historical research has shown that the alleged fourteenth*-century appearance of the Blessed Mother to Pope John XXII is without historical foundation. As a matter of fact, in the year 1613 the Holy See determined that the decree establishing the “Sabbatine Privilege” was unfounded and the Church admonished the Carmelite Order not to preach this doctrine. Unfortunately, the Order did not always comply with this directive of the Holy See.
At the time the Carmelites were instructed to stop mentioning the “Sabbatine Privilege” the Holy See acknowledged that the faithful may devoutly believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary by her continuous intercession, merciful prayers, merits, and special protection will assist the souls of deceased brothers and sisters and members of the confraternity especially on Saturday, the day which the church dedicates to the Blessed Virgin.
Consistent with the Catholic tradition such favours associated with the wearing of the Brown Scapular would be meaningless without the wearers living and dying in the state of grace, observing chastity according to their state in life, and living a life of prayer and penitence. The promises traditionally tied to the scapular offer us what the Second Vatican Council says about the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary: “By her maternal love, Mary cares for the brothers and sisters of her Son, who still make their earthly journey surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led to their happy fatherland.”
Who may invest people with the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel?
According to the Rite for the Blessing and Enrolment in the Scapular of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel, approved by the Holy See in 1996, any priest or deacon has the faculties for blessing the scapular A person given authority to act in the name of the Order may receive people into the confraternity of the scapular. The official ritual provided by the Holy See makes no provision for someone other than a priest or deacon to bless the scapular.
Is it necessary to enrol people in the Scapular Confraternity for them to share in the spiritual benefits attached to the scapular?
No, those who wear the scapular out of devotion, practice the Order’s spirituality, yet who have no formal association to the Order share in a spiritual affiliation to the Carmelite Order. It gives them the assurances of the graces pertinent to this sacramental. Indiscriminate enrolment in the Scapular Confraternity or other such associations weakens the purpose and mission of those associations and should be avoided.
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The religious men and women of the Order and aggregated institutes -
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The Secular/Lay Order (Third Order). -
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Members of public associations and confraternities of Our Lady of Mount Carmel, such as active communities of the Scapular Confraternity. -
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Those who have been invested in the scapular, practice the Order’s spirituality, and have been granted some association with the Order. -
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Those who wear the scapular out of devotion, practice the Order’s spirituality, hut who have no formal association to the Order. -
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Those who are committed to practice the Marian characteristics of Carmelite Spirituality but use outward forms other than the Brown Scapular to express this devotion.
If a person wears the scapular, but has no formal association to the Order, does that person still gain the benefits associated with the scapular?
A person who wears the scapular and practices the spirituality of the Carmelite Order has an affiliation, loose as it may be, to the Carmelite family and so shares in the graces traditionally associated with the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel. However, simply to wear the scapular without accepting the responsibilities attached to it would be to reduce this precious sacramental to the status of a charm or good-luck piece.
What is this Carmelite spirituality that one must practice in order to have an affiliation with the Carmelite Order?
The spirituality of the Carmelite Order is one of the pre-eminent spiritual traditions of the Catholic Church. It is difficult to reduce this spirituality to a few sentences. One who wears the scapular should certainly reflect upon the teachings of the great Carmelite saints, three of whom are doctors of the Church.
A few basic introductory principles of Carmelite spirituality would be;
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frequent participation in the Mass and reception of holy Communion; -
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frequent reading of and meditation on the Word of God in Sacred Scripture; -
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the regular praying of at least part of the Liturgy of the Hours; -
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imitation of and devotion to the Mary, the woman of faith who bears the Word of God and puts it into practice; -
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the practice of the virtues, notably charity, chastity (according to one’s state of life), and obedience to the will of God.
Historical research has shown that the alleged fourteenth*-century appearance of the Blessed Mother to Pope John XXII is without historical foundation. As a matter of fact, in the year 1613 the Holy See determined that the decree establishing the “Sabbatine Privilege” was unfounded and the Church admonished the Carmelite Order not to preach this doctrine. Unfortunately, the Order did not always comply with this directive of the Holy See.
At the time the Carmelites were instructed to stop mentioning the “Sabbatine Privilege” the Holy See acknowledged that the faithful may devoutly believe that the Blessed Virgin Mary by her continuous intercession, merciful prayers, merits, and special protection will assist the souls of deceased brothers and sisters and members of the confraternity especially on Saturday, the day which the church dedicates to the Blessed Virgin.
Consistent with the Catholic tradition such favours associated with the wearing of the Brown Scapular would be meaningless without the wearers living and dying in the state of grace, observing chastity according to their state in life, and living a life of prayer and penitence. The promises traditionally tied to the scapular offer us what the Second Vatican Council says about the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary: “By her maternal love, Mary cares for the brothers and sisters of her Son, who still make their earthly journey surrounded by dangers and difficulties, until they are led to their happy fatherland.”
Who may invest people with the Brown Scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel?
According to the Rite for the Blessing and Enrolment in the Scapular of the Blessed Virgin Mary of Mount Carmel, approved by the Holy See in 1996, any priest or deacon has the faculties for blessing the scapular A person given authority to act in the name of the Order may receive people into the confraternity of the scapular. The official ritual provided by the Holy See makes no provision for someone other than a priest or deacon to bless the scapular.
Is it necessary to enrol people in the Scapular Confraternity for them to share in the spiritual benefits attached to the scapular?
No, those who wear the scapular out of devotion, practice the Order’s spirituality, yet who have no formal association to the Order share in a spiritual affiliation to the Carmelite Order. It gives them the assurances of the graces pertinent to this sacramental. Indiscriminate enrolment in the Scapular Confraternity or other such associations weakens the purpose and mission of those associations and should be avoided.
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fred_conty
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A valuable insight from the Ecclesiastical Censor
The Ecclesiastical Censor of the Archdiocese of Washington, upon reviewing this catechesis and the appeal for tile imprimatur, wrote the following comment which deserves inclusion in this catechetical section.
That the Scapular is a garment, a piece of clothing, does much to make this a beloved and meaningful sacramental. Clothing is, even today, a sign of parental love and care— even when the clothing is purchased at K-Mart. How much more in Jesus day when mothers carded the wool, spun the thread, wove the cloth and made the clothing! There is a sign value by the very nature of clothing that precedes even the scriptural examples from the Old and New Testaments. I think this helps to make the Scapular appealing to the faithful. Our earthly mother clothes us; our heavenly Mother clothes us. Without a word of explanation we know exactly what that means.
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The Ecclesiastical Censor of the Archdiocese of Washington, upon reviewing this catechesis and the appeal for tile imprimatur, wrote the following comment which deserves inclusion in this catechetical section.
That the Scapular is a garment, a piece of clothing, does much to make this a beloved and meaningful sacramental. Clothing is, even today, a sign of parental love and care— even when the clothing is purchased at K-Mart. How much more in Jesus day when mothers carded the wool, spun the thread, wove the cloth and made the clothing! There is a sign value by the very nature of clothing that precedes even the scriptural examples from the Old and New Testaments. I think this helps to make the Scapular appealing to the faithful. Our earthly mother clothes us; our heavenly Mother clothes us. Without a word of explanation we know exactly what that means.
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fred_conty
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About the Green Scapular…
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=592513
Ten years after the manifestation of the Miraculous Medal to Sister Catherine Laboure in 1830,
the blessed Mother entrusted the Green Scapular of the Immaculate Heart to Sister Justine
Bisqueyburu, likewise a Daughter of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul.
The manner of using the Scapular was indicated by the Blessed Virgin. Since it is not the badge
of a confraternity but simply a double image attached to a single piece of cloth and suspended
from a cord, investiture is not required. It suffices that it be blessed by a priest and worn by
the one for whom it is intended. It may be placed in the clothing, on the bed, or simply in the
room.
The only prayer is the inscription surrounding the heart on the reverse of the Scapular:
“Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”
Although wonderful graces are obtained, they are proportionate to the confidence with which
it is given.
Practices
“The greatest graces come from using the scapular but these graces come
in direct proportion to the degree of confidence in me which the user has.”
Promises/Benefits
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=620449
(From an atheist)
How did you come to embrace Catholicism?
Strangely enough, it was the Blessed Virgin Mary. That friend of mine had sneakily
snuck in a scapular under my mattress. I didn’t know until about 1 year into my
conversion. I imagine that she had something to do with it. I think it was the
green scapular.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9630587&posted=1#post9630587
I prayed for my husband a lot as he had been away from the Church for many years. I put a blessed green scapular under the mattress and prayed for him daily, and other family and friends prayed for him also. After several years he finally came back to the Church, and died a very happy man two years after that.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=592513
Ten years after the manifestation of the Miraculous Medal to Sister Catherine Laboure in 1830,
the blessed Mother entrusted the Green Scapular of the Immaculate Heart to Sister Justine
Bisqueyburu, likewise a Daughter of Charity of St. Vincent de Paul.
The manner of using the Scapular was indicated by the Blessed Virgin. Since it is not the badge
of a confraternity but simply a double image attached to a single piece of cloth and suspended
from a cord, investiture is not required. It suffices that it be blessed by a priest and worn by
the one for whom it is intended. It may be placed in the clothing, on the bed, or simply in the
room.
The only prayer is the inscription surrounding the heart on the reverse of the Scapular:
“Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”
Although wonderful graces are obtained, they are proportionate to the confidence with which
it is given.
Practices
- Wear or carry the scapular
- To help another, place it in their vicinity (i.e. their room) and may be hidden.
- Pray, at least daily: “Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”
- The prayer should be said for oneself and separately for each person to whom it has been given .
- No enrollment of any kind is necessary, but each scapular should be blessed by a priest
(general blessing of sacramentals) - Have confidence in the effects of the scapular:
“The greatest graces come from using the scapular but these graces come
in direct proportion to the degree of confidence in me which the user has.”
Promises/Benefits
- Conversion of those who do not have the faith
- Reconciliation to the Church for those who have lost/strayed from the faith
- Strengthening of the faith for those already in the Church
- Assurance of a peaceful death
- Protection from Satan for those who wear or promote the scapular
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=620449
(From an atheist)
How did you come to embrace Catholicism?
Strangely enough, it was the Blessed Virgin Mary. That friend of mine had sneakily
snuck in a scapular under my mattress. I didn’t know until about 1 year into my
conversion. I imagine that she had something to do with it. I think it was the
green scapular.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=9630587&posted=1#post9630587
I prayed for my husband a lot as he had been away from the Church for many years. I put a blessed green scapular under the mattress and prayed for him daily, and other family and friends prayed for him also. After several years he finally came back to the Church, and died a very happy man two years after that.
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