Green scapular vs Brown Scapular?

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POPE JOHN PAUL II

*"Karol Wojtyla, as a young
factory worker, wearing his
brown scapular.

When Pope John Paul II was
shot and operated on in 1981,
he told doctors not to remove
the brown scapular he was
wearing. [The brown scapular
is] One of the two “most
recommended” devotions of
the Church … (Inside the
Vatican, July 10, 2001)"*
 
Does it make a difference if the Brown Scapular is encased in plastic?

Someone told me because the scapular ‘itches and is uncomfortable to wear’ penances are earned or waivered for that sacrifice.

Thank you.
 
Does it make a difference if the Brown Scapular is encased in plastic?

Someone told me because the scapular ‘itches and is uncomfortable to wear’ penances are earned or waivered for that sacrifice.

Thank you.
There is absolutely nothing wrong if the Scapular is encased in plastic. I remember a priest sharing that he had such a terrible reaction to wearing wool next to his skin that he wore the Scapular medal…he probably could have used one encased in plastic. (There are many other ways to do penance if that particular one does not appeal to you! 🙂 )

Just for the record, it is no longer essential for the Brown Scapular to be made of wool.
 
My first scapulars were encased in plastic. That’s the one I was enrolled with. I still wear those. I do have some wool scapulars from Ireland I wear also. I find the wool felt scapulars to be very comfortable to wear. I’ve not noticed any itching. The encased in plastic do stick to my skin when I sweat. Being a surveyor I do sweat. I don’t think being encased in plastic hinders any graces. Now the metal scapulars are not preferred, but in my case could be substituted for. But I have no problems with the cloth scapulars.
 
My first scapulars were encased in plastic. That’s the one I was enrolled with. I still wear those. I do have some wool scapulars from Ireland I wear also. I find the wool felt scapulars to be very comfortable to wear. I’ve not noticed any itching. The encased in plastic do stick to my skin when I sweat. Being a surveyor I do sweat. I don’t think being encased in plastic hinders any graces. Now the metal scapulars are not preferred, but in my case could be substituted for. But I have no problems with the cloth scapulars.
I’m allergic to wool and I can’t wear a scapular encased in plastic because not only does it stick to me during hot flashes and night sweats (and I have several hot flashes and night sweats every day) but the seam of the plastic irritates me to the point where I can’t wear it.

I hope the one I bought (and have now misplaced) is not made of wool but cloth.

There are two reasons why I want to wear the Brown Scapular:
(1) Because of the protection;
(2) Because wearing it will constantly remind me of our Holy Mother and of God. I can’t help but think of them when I am wearing a scapular.

There is one more problem I have. I have several cats and they seem to think that any scapular is a toy made especially for them. So they bat at it while I’m asleep until the string (?) breaks and then they run off with it. It takes months for them to break it but they succeed. My last scapular, which was not the Brown Scapular, disappeared one night and I later found a cat playing with it. Not a very good way to treat something so important.

I’m not sure what to do about this problem. And it brings up another question:

What are we supposed to do with a scapular that has gotten to the point where it can no longer be worn? Are we supposed to burn it? I want to show as much respect as I can.
 
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POPE JOHN PAUL II

*"Karol Wojtyla, as a young
factory worker, wearing his
brown scapular.

When Pope John Paul II was
shot and operated on in 1981,
he told doctors not to remove
the brown scapular he was
wearing. [The brown scapular
is] One of the two “most
recommended” devotions of
the Church … (Inside the
Vatican, July 10, 2001)"*
Thanks. I mentioned this in post #2 but I didn’t have a reference. I’d just like to add that I read that the surgeons stated they did not remove the scapular during the surgery he underwent. I hope what they said is true.
 
I always bury my worn out Scapulars in my back yard. That is permissable.
 
I always bury my worn out Scapulars in my back yard. That is permissable.
Thanks. I may do that, although I live right next to a forest and I’m a bit concerned about a bear or dog or mole or something digging it up. I guess I could put it down deep. It would be nice in a way if a new family living in my house found it. Just a thought. Maybe they would be curious and investigate the Church; burying the scapular might cause a seed to be buried in someone’s mind.
 
Hooray!! I found my Brown Scapular! And it’s not encased in plastic and seems to be soft (I don’t know it it’s wool but I don’t think I will have an allergic reaction to it).

Now I need to see the priest. I can hardly wait!
 
**Love this question.

The main difference is the Brown Scapular’s promises are offered to the one who wears it.

The Green Scapular’s promise is based on the person who gives it - and not on the person who receives it. In fact the person who is offered this Scapular need not even known about it. The blessings are based on the person who gave it (or even hid it).

I believe with all my heart it is the Green Scapular that offered my Father an entrance into heaven. I have worn the Brown Scapular for a very long time.

I would suggest to all the faithful - the Green Scapular is one incredible story!**
 
**Love this question.

The main difference is the Brown Scapular’s promises are offered to the one who wears it.

The Green Scapular’s promise is based on the person who gives it - and not on the person who receives it. In fact the person who is offered this Scapular need not even known about it. The blessings are based on the person who gave it (or even hid it).

I believe with all my heart it is the Green Scapular that offered my Father an entrance into heaven. I have worn the Brown Scapular for a very long time.

I would suggest to all the faithful - the Green Scapular is one incredible story!**
Well, I would explain a little differently, primarily that the Brown Scapular is associated with the Carmelite order and Carmelite spirituality. The promises are not to be seen as separate from our responsibility to live a Christian life. They are, rather, the promise of Our Lady’s assistance and maternal care for us especially at the hour of our death. The Green Scapular has a different origin and purpose.
 
I AM SO CONFUSED! :confused:

Why does my Brown Scapular have a medal of St. Benedict and why am I reading that I am supposed to put this medal in water, on machines, and in structures? I didn’t get a good feeling when reading this. I mistakenly thought the medal was inscribed with the image of the Virgin Mary and that the words, in Latin, pertained to her. But it’s all about St. Benedict! The medal is small and so I didn’t notice at first.

I’m very concerned about this. From what I’ve read (the paper that came with the Scapular) the medal has special powers. It can be used against evil, storms, poisons, pestilence, the devil’s legion, etc. So if I am bitten by a rattlesnake St. Benedict is going to protect me from the venom because I wear the medal? That doesn’t sound right to me.

There’s also a part about exorcisms.

This sounds almost anti-Catholic. What am I wearing? I’m scared of this thing. I don’t even know who St. Benedict is or why he is supposedly so powerful. Are Benedictine monks associated with Carmelites? The paper specifically states that the medal (which is the “jubilee medal”) should be blessed with the “exorcism blessing of St. Benedict and St. Maurus” and that I must use the medal by calling down the intercession of St. Benedict. As far as I know I’m not possessed and although I guess it’s possible to become possessed I never thought that the Church would, gee, I don’t even know how to phrase this - is this supposed to be some sort of possession vaccination? I mean absolutely no disrespect to any saint. I don’t know how else to word it. This is just so weird.

Why don’t I have a medal with the image of the Virgin Mary?

I’ve followed the links in this thread (thank you) but I didn’t find anything about St. Benedict. I ordered my Scapular off the Internet. I don’t know anything about the company.

Does anyone else have a medal of St. Benedict attached to their scapular?

I can’t talk to my priest until Friday, at least, because of Thanksgiving.

HELP!
 
St. Benedict

*Saint Benedict Medal

This medal originally came from a cross in honor of St Benedict. On one side, the medal has an image of St Benedict, holding the Holy Rule in his left hand and a cross in his right. There is a raven on one side of him, with a cup on the other side of him. Around the medal’s outer margin are the words “Eius in obitu nostro praesentia muniamur” (“May we, at our death, be fortified by His presence”). The other side of the medal has a cross with the initials CSSML on the vertical bar which signify “Crux Sacra Sit Mihi Lux” (“May the Holy Cross be my light”) and on the horizontal bar are the initials NDSMD which stand for “Non Draco Sit Mihi Dux” (“Let not the dragon be my overlord”). The initials CSPB stand for “Crux Sancti Patris Benedicti” (“The Cross of the Holy Father Benedict”) and are located on the interior angles of the cross. Either the inscription “PAX” (Peace) or the Christogram “IHS” may be found at the top of the cross in most cases. Around the medal’s margin on this side are the Vade Retro Satana initials VRSNSMV which stand for “Vade Retro Satana, Nonquam Suade Mihi Vana” (“Begone Satan, do not suggest to me thy vanities”) then a space followed by the initials SMQLIVB which signify “Sunt Mala Quae Libas, Ipse Venena Bibas” (“Evil are the things thou profferest, drink thou thy own poison”).[10]

This medal was first struck in 1880 to commemorate the fourteenth centenary of St Benedict’s birth and is also called the Jubilee Medal; its exact origin, however, is unknown. In 1647, during a witchcraft trial at Natternberg near Metten Abbey in Bavaria, the accused women testified they had no power over Metten, which was under the protection of the cross. An investigation found a number of painted crosses on the walls of the abbey with the letters now found on St Benedict medals, but their meaning had been forgotten. A manuscript written in 1415 was eventually found that had a picture of Saint Benedict holding a scroll in one hand and a staff which ended in a cross in the other. On the scroll and staff were written the full words of the initials contained on the crosses. Medals then began to be struck in Germany, which then spread throughout Europe. This medal was first approved by Pope Benedict XIV in his briefs of December 23, 1741, and March 12, 1742.[10]
*St Gregory tells us little of these years. He now speaks of Benedict no longer as a youth (puer), but as a man (vir) of God. Romanus, he twice tells us, served the saint in every way he could. The monk apparently visited him frequently, and on fixed days brought him food.

During these three years of solitude, broken only by occasional communications with the outer world and by the visits of Romanus, Benedict matured both in mind and character, in knowledge of himself and of his fellow-man, and at the same time he became not merely known to, but secured the respect of, those about him; so much so that on the death of the abbot of a monastery in the neighbourhood (identified by some with Vicovaro), the community came to him and begged him to become its abbot. Benedict was acquainted with the life and discipline of the monastery, and knew that “their manners were diverse from his and therefore that they would never agree together: yet, at length, overcome with their entreaty, he gave his consent” (ibid., 3). The experiment failed; the monks tried to poison him, and he returned to his cave. The legend goes that they first tried to poison his drink. He prayed a blessing over the cup and the cup shattered. Then they tried to poison him with poisoned bread. When he prayed a blessing over the bread, a raven swept in and took the loaf away. From this time his miracles seem to have become frequent, and many people, attracted by his sanctity and character, came to Subiaco to be under his guidance. For them he built in the valley twelve monasteries, in each of which he placed a superior with twelve monks. In a thirteenth he lived with a few, such as he thought would more profit and be better instructed by his own presence (ibid., 3). He remained, however, the father, or abbot, of all. With the establishment of these monasteries began the schools for children; and among the first to be brought were Saint Maurus and Saint Placidus.*
 
“Little Soldier”,

Greetings and Happy Thanksgiving Day!

I agree that when sacramentals are sent without a clear explanation it can be so confusing!

I, too, was once given a Brown Scapular with a St. Benedict medal attached. I already have a blessed medal of St. Benedict in my purse and one in my kitchen to remind me to ask for the intercession of St. Benedict. I like learning about the saints and how they build up the Body of Christ by their lives on earth and their intercession for us in heaven.

I tried wearing that Scapular with the St. Benedict medal attached and it was weighed down by the medal and would not set right on my shoulders. So I snipped it off.

Some of the exaggerated descriptions that comes with sacramentals are based on the deep faith of those who asked intercession of that particular saint, and are written in a way that could be a “turn off” and generate misunderstandings. The same thing happened with the Brown Scapular and that is why in the year 2000 the two branches of the Carmelite Order clarified some things, and gave direction regarding the sacramental (new catechesis on the Brown Scapular). There was a concern that some may have a problem with superstition in their attitude about the Scapular.

Sacramentals are a great help and I encourage their correct use. Sacramentals remind me to pray and be confident in the intercession of the saints and Our Lady.

St. Benedict is known as the “Father of Western Monasticism” as he initiated many monasteries in Europe.

Here is some information about the medal:

osb.org/gen/medal.html

Here is some information about his background:

ewtn.com/library/MARY/BENEDICT.htm

Peace,

Dorothy
 
Thank you Ms. Surveyor and Dorothy for your comments and for responding so promptly.

Right now I’m leaving the St. Benedict medal on my Brown Scapular. When I see my priest I’ll ask his opinion about leaving it there.

I hated to admit that I didn’t know of St. Benedict. This is weird but the person who talked to me for a few hours in an attempt to bring me back to the Church was (I believe) a Benedictine monk. I never thought about what “Benedictine” means.

I also never thought about what “Carmelite” means.

I think I need to learn more about the saints. I love reading about them but it seems that I only do that when I accidentally end up on a site which describes their lives.

I was very concerned about the language used in the paper that came with my Scapular. I love St. Agnes of Rome but I have to admit that I don’t believe the story that her hair miraculously grew extremely long in an amazingly short period of time and was so thick that the men who were attempting to rape her were not able to do so.

I know that folk stories and legends tend to develop about saints.

I am still wearing my Scapular and learning the Latin replies used during the enrollment (I know that English words can be used but I’m trying to learn Latin and it seems more reverent to me if Latin is used - that is just a personal preference of mine).

Thanks again for your help. It meant a lot to me! 🙂
 
Thank you Ms. Surveyor and Dorothy for your comments and for responding so promptly.

Right now I’m leaving the St. Benedict medal on my Brown Scapular. When I see my priest I’ll ask his opinion about leaving it there.

I hated to admit that I didn’t know of St. Benedict. This is weird but the person who talked to me for a few hours in an attempt to bring me back to the Church was (I believe) a Benedictine monk. I never thought about what “Benedictine” means.

I also never thought about what “Carmelite” means.

I think I need to learn more about the saints. I love reading about them but it seems that I only do that when I accidentally end up on a site which describes their lives.

I was very concerned about the language used in the paper that came with my Scapular. I love St. Agnes of Rome but I have to admit that I don’t believe the story that her hair miraculously grew extremely long in an amazingly short period of time and was so thick that the men who were attempting to rape her were not able to do so.

I know that folk stories and legends tend to develop about saints.

I am still wearing my Scapular and learning the Latin replies used during the enrollment (I know that English words can be used but I’m trying to learn Latin and it seems more reverent to me if Latin is used - that is just a personal preference of mine).

Thanks again for your help. It meant a lot to me! 🙂
Hi again “little soldier”,

I just wanted to make two comments. Please don’t be embarrassed about what you do not know. We all know different things and it is good to keep learning as we go along.

St. Bernadette, because of illness, did not know a lot about the Catechism and couldn’t make her First Communion when others of her age were doing so. But she was virtuous and obedient and was very holy!

With regard to the legend about St. Agnes of Rome, (and some other legends written about saints as well), a priest explained to a group I was in that some of those legends are hyperbole (exaggeration) that was added to the saints lives over the years. I wouldn’t doubt that the Lord protected her however he wished to, but the legend seems to be exaggerated to me as well. Usually this happens with stories of the saints that go way back and there is not much documentation.

The priest did say that there were miracles in the past, and there are miracles today. 🙂
 
Hi again “little soldier”,

I just wanted to make two comments. Please don’t be embarrassed about what you do not know. We all know different things and it is good to keep learning as we go along.

St. Bernadette, because of illness, did not know a lot about the Catechism and couldn’t make her First Communion when others of her age were doing so. But she was virtuous and obedient and was very holy!

With regard to the legend about St. Agnes of Rome, (and some other legends written about saints as well), a priest explained to a group I was in that some of those legends are hyperbole (exaggeration) that was added to the saints lives over the years. I wouldn’t doubt that the Lord protected her however he wished to, but the legend seems to be exaggerated to me as well. Usually this happens with stories of the saints that go way back and there is not much documentation.

The priest did say that there were miracles in the past, and there are miracles today. 🙂
When I read your post I thought about my very first post on CAF. I’ve changed my username since then so I actually have about 5,000 posts. I was excited to be with fellow Catholics and I lurked for awhile and then I asked someone a question about something he had mentioned in one of his posts. I can’t even remember the question but it was about a prayer or a ceremony or something like that.

His response was to tell me I should be embarrassed for not googling the subject (I admit it had never occurred to me to do so as I was basically computer illiterate) and then he used my question as homily fodder and wrote a long post about people not looking things up and a lot of other things and I can’t even remember what his final point was but there I was with a little “1” next to number of posts and his response hurt - although I wasn’t embarrassed.

I didn’t want to ever write another post again and certainly never ask another question!

Obviously I have. 😃

Thank you for telling me about St. Bernadette. I didn’t know that about her. I love St. Maria Goretti - not only because she is such an inspiration to me (and many others) but because she lived not so long ago and I can identify with her a little bit just because of that.

Of course it’s possible that St. Agnes’ hair DID miraculously grow to protect her. I read that someone finally either stabbed her or cut her throat and I believe that is true. BTW, my signature picture is of St. Agnes (I don’t think the lamb is clear). Most of the pictures I’ve seen show her with dark hair. I like this one the best. I didn’t realize at first that her name is derived from “Agnus.” I love St. Dymphna, too. And now there is St. Benedict. There are so many saints and we can learn so much from them.

Thanks for the info and also thanks for the charity. 🙂
 
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I’m glad you didn’t get discouraged regarding posting and asking questions!
 
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