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rcwitness
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Both should be pastoral, and both should work in harmony.
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MaryT777
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No of course not, but can a married person better understand t he struggles in marriage than a celibate priest?
Who knows, it may be my personal bias a formerly married priest of some kind needs to be the defender of the Bond.
Who knows, it may be my personal bias a formerly married priest of some kind needs to be the defender of the Bond.
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rcwitness
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The pastor is only to be concerned with the moral issues of the faithful. What the Church Teaches about this matter or that matter. Help members understand how the moral Teachings apply in the matters.
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Gorgias
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Often, no, he can’t. Oh, a married person has deep personal experience with his own lived situation… but an experienced priest who is a good counselor has experience with the full range of marital situations. Moreover, he’s not ensconced in any one situation, so there’s no risk that he’d project his experience on the spouses. Finally, he’s an objective voice, which can be quite valuable in this scenario.
Yes, I think this does proceed from your personal experience.
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MaryT777
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Yes but it’s not always so. My priest would not file the annulment for his thoughts were that most likely the marriage was valid.
It’s only after calling the Tribunal crying that they gave me the number of a Canon Law attorney to help me out. I drove out of town to speak with him and I am glad I did.
It’s only after calling the Tribunal crying that they gave me the number of a Canon Law attorney to help me out. I drove out of town to speak with him and I am glad I did.
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MaryT777
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Have you ever been involved in an annulment proceeding?
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MaryT777
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I disagree and we shall leave it at that.
I could not find a an experienced priest who is a good counselor with the full range of marital experiences.
They simply don’t have the time either as you see deacons often now involved with this process as I have been told.
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I could not find a an experienced priest who is a good counselor with the full range of marital experiences.
They simply don’t have the time either as you see deacons often now involved with this process as I have been told.
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rcwitness
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And we don’t have an infallible answer to whom was correct, right?
Did you ever have a follow up conversation with him, or was the relationship too poor?
Did you ever have a follow up conversation with him, or was the relationship too poor?
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rcwitness
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I agree. Or at least this should be the ideal, when the pastor approaches the situation focussing on the moral aspects which are founded on the Teachings of the Catholic faith.
In practice, priests sometimes have issues too! They try to “buddy up” or gamble with certain approaches, or even compromising doctrines instead of just representing Jesus and His Teachings
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MaryT777
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Nope the process is NOT infallible sadly. They now in my diocese or Pope Francis may have stated that the Second Instance court is not needed now.
So the process had and does change thus “proving” it is not infallible.
May God bless all marriages and be with those struggling with issues with the Marriage bond both valid and invalid and the consequences one may face if a spouse walks out on you and you find yourself facing the Marriage Tribunal…
So the process had and does change thus “proving” it is not infallible.
May God bless all marriages and be with those struggling with issues with the Marriage bond both valid and invalid and the consequences one may face if a spouse walks out on you and you find yourself facing the Marriage Tribunal…
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Mi_Rose
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The judge in the tribunal in my diocese is a deacon who has been married for 47 years. He will meet with either party if requested.
A diocese near here has both parties come in to give their testimony.
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Gingersnaps4
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It seems like people involved in the annulment process would only interject an unneeded emotional element if they met the tribunal personally. I think it’s pretty wise that it’s set up the way it is so that the tribunal only sees the facts as they are, written out, and not the highly emotional people involved.
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MaryT777
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How wondeful!
May God bless this judge in wisdom and clarity.
May God bless this judge in wisdom and clarity.
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MaryT777
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It lacks any emotion at all in my opinion here in this diocese. Perhaps something in the “middle” ground would be more helpful.
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rcwitness
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Please listen all!
The sad part, is with all the uncertainty created by invalid marriages, pastors are unable to admonish these couples with the the Teaching of Jesus!
The couple can just say “We aren’t REALLY married in the Lord, cuz he/she didn’t actually mean their vows.”
It’s the successful job of Satan creating havoc on the family
The sad part, is with all the uncertainty created by invalid marriages, pastors are unable to admonish these couples with the the Teaching of Jesus!
The couple can just say “We aren’t REALLY married in the Lord, cuz he/she didn’t actually mean their vows.”
It’s the successful job of Satan creating havoc on the family
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MaryT777
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Yes, friend in Christ. I agree. Satan can create havoc on a family and your spouse can walk out on you leaving you hanging in Tribunal limbo.
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Gorgias
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I’m glad you aren’t involved in the formation of priests.
Yep. That’s why the ‘statistic’ about “90%+ of annulments being granted” is a straw man…
Yes. Thanks for asking.
I’m sorry to hear that. It makes the things you’re asserting make more sense, now.
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rcwitness
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In these cases, that spouse is fighting to profess their apostasy. And that it occurred even before their vows.
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rcwitness
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Why, because things are so healthy as they are?I’m glad you aren’t involved in the formation of priests.
I have no idea how you can argue what I said. Even if I, personally, would not be anymore successful at compelling priests to pastor this way
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Gorgias
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Well, they’ll get no more healthy if we tell priests “please stay in your glass bubble; your role is simply to teach morality and stay out of all other ministries.”
(In fact, that’s pretty antithetical to what the Church actually teaches. Check out the PPF on the USCCB’s website…)
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