Group protests Notre Dame’s “anti-gay” policies

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Group protests Notre Dame’s “anti-gay” policies

More than 100 students, faculty and community members walked onto Notre Dame’s campus Wednesday to protest the university’s anti-discrimination policy and to push for a gay-straight alliance group …
No arrests. Nobody got dragged away in handcuffs.

I guess Fr. Jenkins felt that this protest was OK, but pro-life protests were not. :confused:
 
Yeah, I have 2 close friends that were part of the 88 arrested in the pro-life protests. He’s still seeing whether he will have to serve more time or whether they will “let him off”. At a “catholic” university no less…

I’m not surprised. The evil one already is already breaking the catholic identity of this college apart. It’s no surprise that he’d attack a college named after Our Lady.
 
“Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Mt 7:21)

WOW! If you defend and innocent baby from being murdered by his or her own parents & some evil people who want to cash in on “legal murder” on a “catholic?” University campus, you are handcuffed & dragged to jail.

If you cry ‘discrimination’ because you chose to live an abomination of a self-serving lifestyle, you are presented as a hero???

According to the world, the Truth is a lie & lie are the truth!!!

"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but by me.” (Jn 14:6)

Pilate said to him, “What is truth?” (Jn 18:38)

**“and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” (Jn 8:32)
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Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark

P. S. "You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks according to his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies." (Jn 8:44)
 
Tsk Tsk…There was a “gay-straight alliance” at my high school for a year and I was apart of trying to get rid of it…I guess it worked since by the time I graduated it ceased to exsist. They should not have such a group in public places like schools. To me that is just wrong.
 
what does gay rights issues have to do with abortion issues? this is just rhetoric
 
these comments are just too harsh for my liking, i’m going to look for a friendlier, gentler forum:(
 
My understanding of the situation is that this demonstration was student-led. None of the ND 88 were students, nor were they participating in the student-led protest (ND Response).

Until we find out otherwise, I’m going to assume that the gay-rights demonstration met the following criteria, as laid out in ND’s guide to student life, duLac:
All demonstrations must be registered in writing with the Associate
Vice President for Residence Life and also must observe the
following rules:
a. All demonstrations must be peaceful and orderly.
b. Only members of the University community may organize or
lead a demonstration on campus.
c. Demonstrators may not impede the freedom of the
University community.
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We know that none of the ND 88 demonstrations met these criteria.
 
Rach620 said:
My understanding of the situation is that this demonstration was student-led. None of the ND 88 were students, nor were they participating in the student-led protest (ND Response).

Until we find out otherwise, I’m going to assume that the gay-rights demonstration met the following criteria, as laid out in ND’s guide to student life, duLac:

We know that none of the ND 88 demonstrations met these criteria.
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Actually, there were Anti-Lifers there mocking the pro-lifers with Obama banners, etc, while they were marching there.

It’s incredible that these people, including a priest, who were protesting peacefully, were arrested for protesting something that catholics all over the world are bound to be against, abortion…at a catholic university.

Then, they go and say that gay rights and pro-obama people are okay on campus. It’s like the rules have been flipped and the devil took over.
 
DihydrogenOxide said:
Actually, there were Anti-Lifers there mocking the pro-lifers with Obama banners, etc, while they were marching there.

It’s incredible that these people, including a priest, who were protesting peacefully, were arrested for protesting something that catholics all over the world are bound to be against, abortion…at a catholic university.

Then, they go and say that gay rights and pro-obama people are okay on campus. It’s like the rules have been flipped and the devil took over.
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I understand that this is a very emotional issue, but what you have said doesn’t accurately reflect what has taken place.

First of all, there were few pro-abortion protesters in South Bend over commencement weekend. Those who did protest on the day of commencement stayed off campus (south of campus on Angela Blvd, in front of the IUSB building). Trespassing laws do not apply on public streets.

When Fr. Weslin and others were arrested with him, it was in the week prior to commencement, there were no counter-protesters, and they were clearly on campus (near the DeBartolo Performing Arts Center). Also, the Randall Terry protests (of which Fr. Weslin and Alan Keyes were a part) were NOT student led–therefore they do not meet the criteria in duLac for a permissible demonstration on campus.

In fact, Notre Dame DID allow a massive student-led pro-life demonstration to go on pretty much the entire weekend of commencement, including during the ceremony itself when President Obama was on campus. Thousands of people, students, faculty, and ‘outsiders’ alike, participated in the ND Response activities with NO arrests. As I’ve said before, it’s unfortunate that the ND 88 did not choose to participate in those protests–which involved the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, a rally for life with several pro-life speakers (including Bishop D’Arcy and Fr. Pavone), Eucharistic Adoration, and praying the Rosary with graduates in the Grotto.

It’s not a matter of ND discriminating based on protesters’ viewpoints, allowing pro-abortionists and gay rights activists run of the campus while pro-lifers are stifled. It’s a matter of enforcing long-standing rules about permissible demonstrations and trespassing regulations.
 
why would anyone expect a Catholic university to sponsor or approve of a gay-straight alliance? it makes as much sense as expecting an Orthodox Jewish yeshiva to sponsor the same.

if you want to live and express yourself in a way which will find you at odds with Catholic teachings and values, don’t apply to a Catholic college! and if you do apply, don’t be upset when the school fails to honor your requests or respond to your anger.
 
grace_singh said:
why would anyone expect a Catholic university to sponsor or approve of a gay-straight alliance? it makes as much sense as expecting an Orthodox Jewish yeshiva to sponsor the same.

if you want to live and express yourself in a way which will find you at odds with Catholic teachings and values, don’t apply to a Catholic college! and if you do apply, don’t be upset when the school fails to honor your requests or respond to your anger.
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I agree. Thankfully, the University does not seem to be budging on this issue, and are answering this latest protest on the need to include sexual orientation in the non-discrimination clause in the same way they have answered previous ones. Notre Dame already has a “Spirit of Inclusion” policy which affirms Catholic teaching on the issue; that is not enough for the campus progressive alliance.
 
Rach620 said:
I agree. Thankfully, the University does not seem to be budging on this issue, and are answering this latest protest on the need to include sexual orientation in the non-discrimination clause in the same way they have answered previous ones. Notre Dame already has a “Spirit of Inclusion” policy which affirms Catholic teaching on the issue; that is not enough for the campus progressive alliance.
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goodness… the world is not content to act as the world, but wishes for the Church to act worldly, too.

i pray that the day doesn’t come when religious institutions are expected to sumbit to these demands, or close. but such a day may soon come.

it also baffles me when gay rights groups raise Cain about the Vatican’s stance on homosexuality, or about a Bishop’s remarks on the same. why are you getting angry? that’s the Catholic Church’s moral and theological stance on the issue, and it won’t change.

prayers for these young people… only God can convict them that homosexuality is wrong, and not of God.
 
Rach620 said:
I understand that this is a very emotional issue, but what you have said doesn’t accurately reflect what has taken place.

First of all, there were few pro-abortion protesters in South Bend over commencement weekend. Those who did protest on the day of commencement stayed off campus (south of campus on Angela Blvd, in front of the IUSB building). Trespassing laws do not apply on public streets.

When Fr. Weslin and others were arrested with him, it was in the week prior to commencement, there were no counter-protesters, and they were clearly on campus (near the DeBartolo Performing Arts Center). Also, the Randall Terry protests (of which Fr. Weslin and Alan Keyes were a part) were NOT student led–therefore they do not meet the criteria in duLac for a permissible demonstration on campus.

It’s not a matter of ND discriminating based on protesters’ viewpoints, allowing pro-abortionists and gay rights activists run of the campus while pro-lifers are stifled. It’s a matter of enforcing long-standing rules about permissible demonstrations and trespassing regulations.
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Tell that to my two friends who were arrested. They said otherwise. So did the camera shots.
 
DihydrogenOxide said:
Tell that to my two friends who were arrested. They said otherwise. So did the camera shots.
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To what part of what I said to your friends “say otherwise”?

I was on campus that weekend. There were no pro-Obama protesters on campus. No news reports attested to their presence on campus.

If your friends were allied with Randall Terry, it is clear that they came to campus to intentionally get arrested. If they were not with Randall Terry’s group on campus on commencement day, I wonder why they were not part of the ND Response activities.
 
jtoth said:
Tsk Tsk…There was a “gay-straight alliance” at my high school for a year and I was apart of trying to get rid of it…I guess it worked since by the time I graduated it ceased to exsist. They should not have such a group in public places like schools. To me that is just wrong.
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Why should such a group not exist? I imagine you’d be outraged if you were part of a prayer group and another student was a part of trying to get rid of it.
 
Lujack said:
Why should such a group not exist? I imagine you’d be outraged if you were part of a prayer group and another student was a part of trying to get rid of it.
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Becuase it affirms sinful devioant sexual behavior.
 
estesbob said:
Becuase it affirms sinful devioant sexual behavior.
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No Catholic University should support the actions associated with homosexuality. However, all Catholic universities need to have a support system that counsels and supports students who have these feelings and cannot help from having these feelings. Too many suicides occur because children raised in ultra-religious homes (which is certainly not a bad thing…it can be a wonderful thing depending on the situation), feel unwanted and begin to hate themselves because of feelings they cannot help. These are God’s people as well who need to be reached out to and helped. We have to show them that God is calling them to a life of sacred celibacy if they are of a same-sex attraction. Notre Dame has the Core Council for Gay and Lesbian Student Needs who is staffed with sisters and Holy Cross Priests as well as lay men and women to counsel these students in light of Christ and His Church’s teaching.

Using words like deviant just seems hateful (and I do realize you mean the actions…but it just seems like a word harsher than most would use for other sins equally as deplorable…I’m being very subjective of course here). I too would never accept those actions as being righteous, and I agree they are surely mortally sinful, but no more sinful than the use of artificial contracteptives…also an intrinsic evil. It’s amazing to whom we often choose to throw our rocks in hatefulness. How many people do we know that use artificial birth control? We don’t agree with it…but I don’t see many people discriminating them and making them feel less human.

I’m just glad I don’t live in a glass house, as I’m sure most of you can relate.

Christ loves all, and so should we. Love the sinner hate the sin.

Peace of Christ.
 
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