Guardian angel confirmation saint?

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You don’t have to be corporeal to be a saint. A saint is any being in heaven; all non-fallen angels are in heaven.
You are wrong. Angels are NOT saints.

I refer you to the Confiteor below. If angels were saints then that should simply read “all the Saints” instead of “all the Angels and Saints”.

I confess to almighty God
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have greatly sinned
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done
and in what I have failed to do,
through my fault,
through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;
therefore I ask blessed Mary ever-Virgin,
all the Angels and Saints,
and you, my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God.
 
The Catholic Church teaches that it does not make or create saints, but rather, recognizes them.In theChurch, the title of Saint refers to a person who has been formallycanonized(officially recognized) by the Catholic Church, and is therefore believed to be in Heaven.By this definition, there are many people that the church believes to be in Heaven who have not been formally declared saints but who are otherwise referred to as saints, since they are believed to be completely perfect in holiness.
 
A saint is someone who is in heaven and enjoys beatific vision. He has a feast day of which celebration is not restricted. He prays for us to God. He will not die, in the earthly sense.

All these apply to angels.
 
A saint is someone who is in heaven and enjoys beatific vision. He has a feast day of which celebration is not restricted. He prays for us to God. He will not die, in the earthly sense.

All these apply to angels.
Angels are NOT saints.
Show me any Church document that states angels are saints. If not you are simply speculating.
 
**Whether Angels can be considered Saints
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**Objection 1.***It would seem that angels cannot be numbered among the Saints because during the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, the one presiding says:…
all the Angels and Saints
and furthermore, at benediction the one presiding says (and the people respond):
blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints
So these would seem to be two separate groups of people

**Objection 2.***Further, the Holy Church has shown throughout Salvation History that she only canonizes those who have died in the Grace of God. Angels have no capacity for death and therefore cannot be canonized as such.

Objection 3.Further, Holy Mother Church makes a distinction between those whom she knows, through:
objective means (posthumous miracles)
through her own power of binding and loosing (as is the case with
St. Pope John XXIII)
by right of dying specifically for Christ (martyrdom). In this case one does not have the ability to recant the grace freely given. This makes their death the sacrifice “beyond which there is*no greater love”.

On the Contrary*the Catholic Church, which apparently is the arbiter of who is numbered among the Saints, has consistently referred to the angels as Saints.Mor Gabriel Monestaryis one of the oldest surviving Churches in the world, dedicated to St. Gabriel.

**I answer that,the term saint is a qualifier used tomean holybut a canonized Saint is an office, as is Angel. Angel is a job title meaningmessenger of God. Just as a person can be both a carpenter and a father, one can be an Angel and a Saint.

Reply to Objection 1*the words used in the sacred liturgies, whereas they are unsurpassed in beauty and reverence, are not, in and of themselves, theological treatises. Therefore, if you hear Jesus referred to as thrice Holy, that isn’t to say He isn’t also holy four times over as well.

Reply to Objection 2It is true that the relatively recently establishednorms of canonization*are more or less ignored when it comes to Biblical figures, when it comes to those who do not need the grace of Christ’s redemption to save them from death, St. Thomas Aquinqs says
Now a multitude ordained to one end, with distinct acts and duties, may be metaphorically called one body. But it is manifest that both men and angels are ordained to one end, which is the glory of the Divine fruition.Summa III:62:4
and so he lumps us all together in Heaven where Christ is the Head and we all (the Church) are His Body. And so, a thing that separates us from the Angels (the ability to die) does not separate us from becoming Saints any more than it separates Angels from being Saints.

**Reply to Objection 3.**Lastly, the Church, through Holy Scripture knows which of the Angels clung to the true light (The Trinity) or the false light (Lucifer) because those who clung to the truth are the heroes of the Bible. St. Raphael aids Tobias on his journey and saves him, his future wife’s honor and his father. St. Michael wrested from Lucifer the body of Moses and preserved the holy man from scorn. St. Gabriel, best of all, announced the birth of Christ to Mary. But, to even accomplish this task, they must have gotten their orders from God Himself and therefore “merited beatitude” asthe Angel I c Doctor says:…
ultimate beatitude exceeds both the angelic and the human nature. It remains, then, that both man and angel merited their beatitude.Summa III:8:4
 
Angels are NOT saints.
Show me any Church document that states angels are saints. If not you are simply speculating.
There you go. I am not speculating, nor reporting uncharitable avoidable “you” statements.
 
Well, the point of this whole discussion is
  1. Angels are not Saints in the strict sense of the word. Thorough catechesis has demonstrated this point.
  2. The OP is speaking of his Guardian Angel, NOT St. Michael, St. Rafael, nor St. Gabriel who are canonized by acclamation of the early church due to their specific names being cited in Scripture. Their names are Hebrew words that refer to what they did/do.
    Michael “who is like God?” his famous question to Lucifer
    Gabriel “power of God” who brought news of a Virgin Birth, which only God can make possible
    Rafael: “God heals” by virtue of the story of Tobit.
but more importantly:

The point of the “optional but pious” practice of selecting a Patron Saint for Confirmandi is to have someone’s earthly life to model and inspire them. A Guardian Angel is ALREADY walking the path with you, and has been since your conception. The notion is to select someone, who, in their earthly life, exhibited heroic holiness, great piety, and strength to battle the temptations of this life by their human actions and words.
This is in addition to the strength and protection that your guardian angel provides for you. I am very devoted to my guardian angel, who has gotten me out of a lot of scrapes, if you will, and I believe that my angel is in no way slighted or offended, by my selection of Saint Veronica (saint of compassion and tenderness) as my Patroness.
This is a worthy and pious practice, and not a box to be checked off or a point of competition between the students. It is an exercise in the study of the lives of the saints…something that we can all be inspired by.
Peace.
 
Well, the point of this whole discussion is
  1. Angels are not Saints in the strict sense of the word. Thorough catechesis has demonstrated this point.
  2. The OP is speaking of his Guardian Angel, NOT St. Michael, St. Rafael, nor St. Gabriel who are canonized by acclamation of the early church due to their specific names being cited in Scripture. Their names are Hebrew words that refer to what they did/do.
    Michael “who is like God?” his famous question to Lucifer
    Gabriel “power of God” who brought news of a Virgin Birth, which only God can make possible
    Rafael: “God heals” by virtue of the story of Tobit.
but more importantly:

The point of the “optional but pious” practice of selecting a Patron Saint for Confirmandi is to have someone’s earthly life to model and inspire them. A Guardian Angel is ALREADY walking the path with you, and has been since your conception. The notion is to select someone, who, in their earthly life, exhibited heroic holiness, great piety, and strength to battle the temptations of this life by their human actions and words.
This is in addition to the strength and protection that your guardian angel provides for you. I am very devoted to my guardian angel, who has gotten me out of a lot of scrapes, if you will, and I believe that my angel is in no way slighted or offended, by my selection of Saint Veronica (saint of compassion and tenderness) as my Patroness.
This is a worthy and pious practice, and not a box to be checked off or a point of competition between the students. It is an exercise in the study of the lives of the saints…something that we can all be inspired by.
Peace.
Did you read post 27?
 
There you go. I am not speculating, nor reporting uncharitable avoidable “you” statements.
You did not give a reference for the article you put into post #27. Your position is not any stronger until you reference the question and article number.
 
Did you read post 27?
Yes. Not questioning that angels are in heaven.

Saints, in this application (choosing a Patron Saint) is not what the Confirmation catechists mean. I can’t believe nobody gets this. This is not an argument about what angels are or are not.
It’s about selecting a Saint who was once living on earth for a patron. :rolleyes:
 
My possible confirmation saint isn’t what I think my guardian angel’s name is, but about my guardian angel. Is it possible to have a confirmation and baptismal name that isn’t of a saint?
 
My possible confirmation saint isn’t what I think my guardian angel’s name is, but about my guardian angel. Is it possible to have a confirmation and baptismal name that isn’t of a saint?
Yes.

A confirmaiton name does not need to be the name of a saint.
You could even use your own given name if you wanted.
 
Yes.

A confirmaiton name does not need to be the name of a saint.
You could even use your own given name if you wanted.
In 5 years or so, will the people at the parish I’m at call me by my baptismal and/or confirmation name? I dislike my legal name sometimes, and want to be called the name that I spiritually chose myself.
 
There you go. I am not speculating, nor reporting uncharitable avoidable “you” statements.
Where is the Church document that states angels are saints?? So far I haven’t seen any!
Without it this remains opinion and speculation only. Nothing wrong with that unless an opinion offered is being stated as fact.
 
My possible confirmation saint isn’t what I think my guardian angel’s name is, but about my guardian angel. Is it possible to have a confirmation and baptismal name that isn’t of a saint?
Once again, the purpose of choosing a name is to choose one of a Patron Saint, so YES, it has to be a Saint’s name. There is no inherent value for simply picking a new random name. Likely the Bishop will ask you WHY you chose that particular Saint, and you’ll have to demonstrate that you know something about his or her life. At least out Bishops and Archbishops have always interviewed the Confirmandi, either prior to the Mass or at the Mas.
And you have asked this before, NO people will not begin to call you by your confirmation name. It has a spiritual, and not legal purpose, unless at some point in your life you petition the court to legally change your name, at which point, you can change it to anything you like.
 
Once again, the purpose of choosing a name is to choose one of a Patron Saint, so YES, it has to be a Saint’s name. There is no inherent value for simply picking a new random name. Likely the Bishop will ask you WHY you chose that particular Saint, and you’ll have to demonstrate that you know something about his or her life. At least out Bishops and Archbishops have always interviewed the Confirmandi, either prior to the Mass or at the Mas.
And you have asked this before, NO people will not begin to call you by your confirmation name. It has a spiritual, and not legal purpose, unless at some point in your life you petition the court to legally change your name, at which point, you can change it to anything you like.
What’s the point of confirmation names, then?
I don’t much like the idea of legal names.
 
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