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JPrayer
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Does our guardian angel stay with us after death?
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Ed_Silvia
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The Bible or official CCC I don’t think say but I feel if you make it to Heaven then, yes, considering bilocation would appear to be the norm there your guardian/guardians are your companions eternally.
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Joe_Kelley
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I once saw a drawing of a Guardian Angel waiting at the gates of Purgatory to escort his charge to Heaven. Don’t know how valid that is, but think it was an approved Catholic text.
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corsair
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Its my understanding (which may be wrong) that your Guardian Angel is with you for life. Not sure where he goes after that. Perhaps Fr. David will respond to that question.
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pianistclare
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They stay with us, even to heaven, yes.
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The_Dragonfly
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I forgot where I heard this. Supposedly your guardian angel was with you even while inside your mothers womb. So where ever she went your angel followed. Many of the gifts from God is one of his beloved angels who is with you forever. The only way lose that gift is by ending up hell and the angel goes back to heaven empty handed.
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thistle
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In my opinion the answer is no. The CCC seems clear to me on this matter. It states they are with us UNTIL death.
CCC 336 From its beginning until death, human life is surrounded by their watchful care and intercession. “Beside each believer stands an angel as protector and shepherd leading him to life.” Already here on earth the Christian life shares by faith in the blessed company of angels and men united in God.
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Sirach2
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Fr. Pacwa, together with Mike Aquilina were guests on Women of Grace the previous week as we celebrated two feasts of the angels. Mike has written a few books and co-authored one with Fr. Pacwa on the angels. They assured us clearly that at the moment of our conception, God gives us our own personal guardian angel who is always with us … and EVEN accompanies us to heaven at our death, and glorifies the Lord in eternity along with us. The are not re-assigned to another soul, and do not leave us alone in heaven. Keep in mind also, that each angel has its own name from God, just as He also named each and every star … and we KNOW how many of these are in the heavens. Awesome!
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pianistclare
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yup.
Angels don’t “retire”, LOL
How cool, eh?
I can’t wait to finally see mine…poor dear.
I’m a tough case.
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thistle
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However, that is not what the Church teaches. It may be right but it is speculation only.
Also, the Church does not know if a guardian angel is assigned one on one to a human or if a guardian angel is assigned to more than one human.
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Sirach2
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There is no one in this thread that comes close in knowledge to Father Pacwa. I’ll take his word any day! You have only quoted a brief quote from the catechism, and that in itself, does not provide the full essence of Church teaching. It is very elementary. Nor does it imply that Father’s information is wrong. He quoted from Thomas Aquinas.However, that is not what the Church teaches. It may be right but it is speculation only.
Also, the Church does not know [Oh really??Prove it. ] if a guardian angel is assigned one on one to a human or if a guardian angel is assigned to more than one human.
But I know how you will fight to the death
to be right… You may have the last word.
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pianistclare
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How can something be “right” and also merely speculation??? 
That’s a new one.
That’s a new one.
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mkoopman
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Aquinas applies the principles of the prime mover and even utilizes gnostic writings, which at one period in his life he believed. By rejecting the theories of gnostic contemporaries, many of which are similar if not the same as soul concepts of bhuddism in our present age, he uses logic and the transcendental philosophy he relates to define the reason for one person and one guardian angel.There is no one in this thread that comes close in knowledge to Father Pacwa. I’ll take his word any day! You have only quoted a brief quote from the catechism, and that in itself, does not provide the full essence of Church teaching. It is very elementary. Nor does it imply that Father’s information is wrong. He quoted from Thomas Aquinas.
But I know how you will fight to the death
Free will and the dignity of persons, that of both human and angelic persons, are quintessential to his resolution. Post modernists would then have to reject this philosophy on principle, well, on accepting the lack of existence of any primary principles as is fundamental to post modernism. But then is not the lack of such principles a pillar of post modern?
I’d go with St. Aquinas in logic and reason and leave the post modernist at home to care for the pets. The writings in which St. Aquinas describes the human person and angelic person relationship are approved by the church.
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thistle
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My understanding is that sarcasm is forbidden in these forums but I’ll let it slide this time.There is no one in this thread that comes close in knowledge to Father Pacwa. I’ll take his word any day! You have only quoted a brief quote from the catechism, and that in itself, does not provide the full essence of Church teaching. It is very elementary. Nor does it imply that Father’s information is wrong. He quoted from Thomas Aquinas.
But I know how you will fight to the death
Over the years in these forums I have been wrong from time to time but when someone shows me an official Church document on the issue being discussed I happily accept it and change my view.
If you can therefore show me an official Church document where the Church teaches that we are assigned angels on a one on one basis and also that they are with us if we die and are saved then as I said I will happily accept it.
I have great respect for Father Pacwa (I have some of his books) but what he has written or indeed what Aquinas has written are not official Church documents and certainly Aquinas is not always right. He did not believe in the Immaculate Conception.
So, show me an official Church document on this and I will most certainly change my view.
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Sirach2
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:nope: You are the one who claimed that it is not Church teaching. I asked you for proof. Do you have any? If not, mum’s the word
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thistle
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I already gave you the Church teaching (see the CCC I quoted). Anything not there is simply speculation. Over to you. Show me an official Church document backing your claim.
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Sirach2
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Again, prove it, or move on. I never made any “claim” but simply presented the scholarly opinion of Pacwa and Aquilina. Contact them if you want an argument.
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thistle
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The Church teaching is clear that we have a guardian angel from birth to death. I gave you CCC quote to prove what the Church teaches. It teaches nothing more. It does not teach that they are with us in Heaven. If you have an official Church document that states that then please produce it. Why do you think it does not teach that. It is because the Church does not know and is why it does not document that one way or the other. That is why nobody can state as a fact that our guardian angel will be with us in Heaven (assuming we get there). It can only be expressed as an opinion.
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Sirach2
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Like I said, you will go down fighting. No surprise. One little segment in a catechism can never depict the entire body of teaching within the Catholic faith. I’m not going to do your homework for you, since you are the one objecting here.You err, if you think that one small statement summarizes the volumes that have been written, even in the early Church Fathers. It seems to displease you that someone dared to present an opinion contrary to yours. If you want to challenge the concept I presented, try an email to Father Pacwa at EWTN.
I’m unsubscribing.
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thistle
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I told you what the Church teaches and quoted the CCC to support that.
You err, if you think that one small statement summarizes the volumes that have been written, even in the early Church Fathers. It seems to displease you that someone dared to present an opinion contrary to yours. If you want to challenge the concept I presented, try an email to Father Pacwa at EWTN.
I’m unsubscribing.
You have provided no teaching document from the Church to support your claim/concept (call it what you will).
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