Guitar Mass at My New Parish (Warning: this is positive, not a negative thread)

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I am personally uneasy about acoustic or electric guitars in Mass as I feel they are inappropriate for a liturgy that is two millenia old, but I find classical guitars can be acceptable when used as a classical guitar - be it part of an ensemble or even in an orchestra.

Of course, the scoring needs to be carefully chosen too. One must be cautious not to pick settings that discard the reverence of Mass for bombastic and theatrical expressions, nor for casualness. If in doubt, you can never go wrong with chant.

Anyway, I don’t wish to attack my fellow Catholics’ musical choices. It’s just that I believe we need to make reverence and solemnity the focus of our music, and these principles are how I feel it can be best achieved. 🙂
When our regular organist is off, the sub is a parishioner that plays guitar and he does such a beautiful reverent job. it is peaceful and gentle. A well done harp could do the same thing actually. I think people associate guitars with loud rock and roll and have not had the good fortune to be exposed to classical guitar or other string instruments. Organs can be loud and blaring too. David of the OT wrote Psalms for string instruments. It is just a frame of reference and good exposure to great music at mass is the cure.
 
I’m just not getting a clear sense of why guitars are so intensely disliked by some. is this a dislike of stringed instruments in general? guitars have anywhere from 12 to four strings, and there are dozens of related instruments: dobros, mandolins, ukuleles, cuatros, lutes, charangos, bouzouki, most of which aren’t used in rock bands, are they also hated?

Westerby
I think it has to do mainly with guilt by association.
 
I’m just not getting a clear sense of why guitars are so intensely disliked by some.
Because some have a notion that “sacred” can be confined to certain external things…styles of music, types of instruments, church architecture and decor, languages. The guitar may be offensive to that view.

Its a fine and nuanced line to walk.

Certainly Motley Crue type guitar music would be suspect, cause the culture associates it with things that are not sacred or even evil.

A priest is North Dakota would not say Mass in an affectatious Appalachian dialect, because he would not be giving his best to God, he would be “posing” as the kids say.

I would not show up at choir and play the bongos while we sing Tantum Ergo, but is it sacred worship for the Hispanic community to use drums, horns, and guitars at Mass? Yes it is. They give the best their culture has to offer in worship. To say otherwise denigrates the culture.

I happen to be of German descent. Do I love ancient music and pipe organ? Yep. Are the Churches in South America or China any less sacred because of the use of their culture in worship. No,
God cannot be contained, defined, or worshipped exclusively by any specific culture or language. And that does not detract from the sacredness or beauty of Latin or pipe organ. The key word is “exclusive”. The sacredness of one thing does not mean others are not also sacred. Same goes for people. Just because the Bible mentions certain chosen people does not mean that others are not also chosen,
 
I think any instrument, played well and reverently, could work well for the Mass.

Guitar. Piano. Flute (I’ve heard this). Organ. If played well they can all be reverent and uplifting.

I’ve heard the piano played so horribly that I HATED it.
I’ve heard the organ played so badly that I thought I was attending a baseball game not a Mass.
I’ve heard the drums… DRUMS. That one was just weird. I thought I was at a tent revival.

That said, played well these instruments can uplift our hearts.

It’s not about the instrument. It’s how that instrument is used.

Just my opinion.

I’m glad these ladies were able to play some nice music that helped you focus on the Mass… The last time I attended a guitar Mass I had the same experience. 🙂 I have yet to see an offensive guitar Mass actually.
 
Although I dislike 1970’s “folk music” at Mass, most of the songs from the original Glory and Praise books were theologically sound and very Scriptural. When OCP acquired Glory and Praise and started changing the words and inserting inclusive language, they went downhill.
I learned the songs from the orginals and usually end up singing them that way - loudly - when everyone is singing what’s actually printed.

I love guitar music (folk and classical - not electric) and have no trouble with it at Mass. My parish only uses anything other than the organ at special Masses - we get quite a few instruments at Easter, and sometimes a guitar at the early Christmas morning Mass. 😃
 
Thanks for the insight. I, who grew up Catholic with the opposite musical experience, don’t associate stringed instruments *per se *with secular music, since I also heard guitars played reverently at Mass since I was a kid. There’s a piano at my church that’s used for hymns, there’s a piano at home that I can bang out tin pan alley music.

What I object to is the rare occasions when musicians (of any kind) at Mass become the focal point.

Westerby.
But this is not something that the musician usually has any control over. I would challenge you to find a musician at any Mass who would confess, “Yes, I am striving to be the focal point of the Mass.” I’m sure that it happens once in a while, but most of us are very aware that we are merely servants of the Lord Jesus Christ and of His people.

When a musician plays a beautiful or exciting piece of music, people look at them and admire the work and the skill of the musician. Sometimes if a piece is particularly well-done, the entire congregation is so caught up in the wonder and glory of the piece that they spontaneously applaud, which in the United States is a way that a GROUP says “Thank you.” It’s not the same kind of applause that is done at a concert for an “idol.”

For the last few times I have played for Mass, I’ve played some Bach on the pipe organ, and I’ve played it fairly well with the appropriate stops (I have a very good teacher) at the proper level. People come up to me afterwards raving about how much they like the music and thanking me for playing Bach.

Obviously the people were not adulating me like young kids adulate Justin Bieber. Or were they? There are people in the parish who always tell me, “I love hearing you play,” or “I love it whenever you play at Mass!”

Are these people doing something wrong to admire me as a musician?

One little boy always tells me that he likes the way I play “Loud.” That’s his way of describing my playing style. I don’t blast, but I play piano (for the hymns) with a full, rich style that I learned in the Protestant churches, and it’s very nice for congregational singing.

So should that little boy be rebuked for liking a certain musician?

Or should I stop playing “loud” and just play as “soft” as possible so that no one will even notice what I play, let alone actually feel compelled to join in the congregational singing?

Should I stop playing Bach, or anything “exciting”, and not play anything at all for a prelude and postlude so that no one will notice me?

When I was at the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe this summer (LaCrosse, WI), the organist played GLORIOUS preludes and postludes, and also amazing introductions and improvisations in his hymns. Almost everyone in the congregation turned around to try to get a look at him and the beautiful pipe organ. I made it a point to climb the three flights of stairs after Mass to tell him how much I enjoyed the music. **He definitely called attention to himself by his magnificent and skillful playing, although a lot of the reason we were all so enraptured is that we are not used to this kind of music in our parishes. **

Was I wrong to tell the organist how much I enjoyed his playing? Is that organist wrong to play pieces that actually call attention to him? Maybe he should just play really simple organ style so that no one will notice him or the music at the shrine.

But obviously, the answer is NOT for musicians to pare back and play simple stuff that doesn’t call any attention to the music. The ANSWER is for ALL Catholic musicians to play and sing and conduct with all their heart and soul and do their best to help show fellow Catholics that the Mass is truly “heaven on earth.” If we all did this, then the Catholic parishioners would get used to glorious and excellently-done music and they would not applaud anymore because such music would be the norm rather than a wonderful surprise.

I think that some Catholics are under a false belief that good music (well-written and well-executed) calls attention to the musicians and the music. This is not true–really good music calls attention to GOD. We need more, not less, good music in the Mass. Everything at Mass, including the music, should point people towards Jesus Truly Present in the Blessed Sacrament, and well-done music will help do this.
 
God gifts the organist or vocalist with a talent. He or she uses it to praise God. It is good to recognize that and encourage these gifted people to use their talents.
 
But this is not something that the musician usually has any control over. I would challenge you to find a musician at any Mass who would confess, “Yes, I am striving to be the focal point of the Mass.” I’m sure that it happens once in a while, but most of us are very aware that we are merely servants of the Lord Jesus Christ and of His people. …
I didn’t say it was intentional, I said it happens. I blame the musical director for the bass guitar solo I heard (at a midnight Mass on Christmas Eve, of all times).

Westerby
 
I think any instrument, played well and reverently, could work well for the Mass.

Guitar. Piano. Flute (I’ve heard this). Organ. If played well they can all be reverent and uplifting.

I’ve heard the piano played so horribly that I HATED it.
I’ve heard the organ played so badly that I thought I was attending a baseball game not a Mass.
I’ve heard the drums… DRUMS. That one was just weird. I thought I was at a tent revival.

That said, played well these instruments can uplift our hearts.
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It’s not about the instrument. It’s how that instrument is used.**

Just my opinion.

I’m glad these ladies were able to play some nice music that helped you focus on the Mass… The last time I attended a guitar Mass I had the same experience. 🙂 I have yet to see an offensive guitar Mass actually.
Bold mine. I agree and think this is true for most instruments. I have yet to hear a kazoo reverently played, but there might be a first somewhere down the line. lol!

Seriously, though, as traditionally and classically-minded as I am in regards to liturgical music and instruments, I do think that many instruments (including the voice) can be refined in the way they are played so that they would be appropriate for mass. In regards to Jerry Westerby’s question, I do think guitars get picked on a lot because they are often associated with secular music - more specifically, rock, pop and folk music. That might explain why other instruments, like the violin, flute, piano, harp, other string and wind instruments, etc. don’t provoke as much of a visceral response from people as the guitar. Even if those instruments can and have been used with rock/pop/folk music, they are more often associated with other styles/genres of music which seem to be more accepted for liturgical use. And many people believe that certain styles of playing music is more adaptable to performing sacred/religious music reverently than other styles.

The guitar is also an instrument in which a lot of people will pick up and don’t have much problem playing in public, yet don’t play very well. Most of my experience with guitars at mass has not been positive, and I believe for many people (at least with people I personally know or have read on threads such as on these forums) this is the case for them as well. It can and does color the expectations. Even though I had that wonderful experience with the classical guitar/violin duo for the wedding mass, that experience, unfortunately, has been very rare. I know in some areas, this can also be the case for the organ or piano. For me, any poorly-played instrument, no matter how “appropriate” it is for liturgy, maybe shouldn’t be played at all in public until there is at least some medium level of mastery, especially when the instrument is being used to support a congregation or for prayerful purposes.
 
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