Gunmen attack Iraqi church in Baghdad - official

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This little item doesn’t seem to be getting much press in the US, but here we have yet another in the ongoing series of examples of modern day persecution of Christians in the Middle East. Will “they” ever stop?

alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE69U0CV.htm
bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11463544

guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/31/iraq-catholic-hostages-released

miamiherald.com/2010/10/31/1901490/insurgents-seize-catholic-church.html

rte.ie/news/2010/1031/iraq.html

This article says one of the priests may have been killed.
The priest they call Father Rafael is believed to have survived, but his colleague, Father Wissam, is believed to have been killed.
Eternal memory.
 
Dear poster,
It does’nt seem that The christian church was intentionally
targeted at least in these news.
However , these news are’nt truly for US citizens interests,
as any other news which does’nt involve US army.
This does’nt even interest any european countries citizens
since they are not the harmed ones.
Yes , there is no true sad feelings arising from any of the
coalition countries who fought for The Freedom and Prosperity
and Democracy of the Iraqui people. If you like to stay
naive and throw every persecution act on the Extremist Muslims
as their only mistake, I can’t agree with you. Because, the
real mistake of all these persecutions , is the result of a very
bad politic withdrawn by Those countries who consider themselves
Christian countries. Yes , let us first blame ourselves as Christians
than try to juge justly the others.
I pray that the Christ will remain followed in the Middle East
in spite of all mistakes.
Peace and Good
Nohamaria:)
 
Dear poster,
It does’nt seem that The christian church was intentionally
targeted at least in these news.
To me this quote in one of those links sounds like those claiming responsibility specify the attack was intentionally on this Christian church:
Al-Qaeda’s Iraqi affiliate, the Islamic State of Iraq, claimed responsibility for the attack on ‘the dirty place of the infidel which Iraqi Christians have long used as a base to fight Islam.’
 
When anyone sees the name confirmed of the priest who was killed yesterday please post it for us.

BBC radio At the beginning of this broadcast is an interview with an Iraqi doctor who lay next to their priest who had been shot, who apparently died before the security forces arrived. The broadcaster asks whether or not the church was in fact the specific target, and the response is “there is lots of evidence the church was the target”.

An Anglican priest, Canon Andrew White, interviewed later in the broadcast when asked if the Christians are being deliberately targeted he replies that recent violence continues to be linked to the pastor in FL who threatened to burn the Quran. Many of his people are leaving “I say to all of them I’m not going to leave you, don’t leave me.” His church has been seriously bombed several times. Violence towards Christians is growing, he says, because Christianity is perceived as linked to “the west” in spite of its origins being in these regions.
 
So far, I’ve seen nothing specific on the names of the those killed. This incident seems to be even more vile than I first thought: now they’re targeting churches. Anyway, those who read French might want to to have a look here.
 
if this news item was on pants versus skirts- it would have 1,000 replies and also linked to dozens of blogs. BUT it’s just a bunch of Catholics getting slaughtered. The apathy is shocking
Oh, it goes beyond “shocking” to those of us from the East and Orient, but good-old “mainstream America” doesn’t get it. It might strike more of a chord in Europe, and perhaps in southern South America and Australia, and maybe even Québec. But in the US? Naw … they ain’t Protestants, and they seem to be some kind a funny Catholics, so we’re not a gittin involved." And even if they did “git involved” would it do any good? Short answer here is NO, it wouldn’t.

It’s really the same story we’ve heard over and over ad nauseam during the past 35+ (years, including the Lebanese civil war): “oh, look… it’s a bunch of Christian Arabs …” and that’s the end of it. The laughable thing is that the Christians are not " Arab" at all (for the most part, at least, the exceptions being some groups of Melkites and Antiochian Orthodox, and some individuals of other Churches – and concerns Lebanon, Israel, Syria, and Jordan, far more than it does Iraq).

If memory servers, I think it was Christmas 2003 in Iraq there was all this hoop-la in the press about the Christians “being free to worship for Christmas” with lovely photos and videos. Yes, it was nice. But was it the first time they were “allowed” to celebrate Christmas? Uh … no, it wasn’t. While there weren’t an awful lot of Iraqi Christian tears shed for the demise of Saddam, what they got was worse than they ever feared under Saddam or his predecessors (going all the way back to the 12th century): religious persecution. While there was some ethnic persecution under Saddam, it was strictly speaking religious persecution. It’s no secret that Christians were never loved, but they were, at least for the most part, tolerated. (This is still true in Syria today, where the secular Ba’ath-party mentality remains in place). What has happened since Christmas 2003 is a horror not seen since at least the Abbasid Dynasty. Bishops and priests abducted and some even murdered. People attacked while attending Mass. And now a Syriac CC cathedral targeted, ostensibly because of some alleged (and I’ll say phony) dispute with the Coptic OC??? In Egypt??? In the days of Saddam, as terrible as he may have been on other levels, this kind of religious persecution would not have been tolerated.
 
This article says 3 priests were killed…
According to Church sources in Iraq, three young priests who had been leading the service were killed during the attack. They were Fr Wasim Sabieh, Fr Thaier Saad Abdal and Fr Qatin. Fr Qatin was wounded during the raid and died later in hospital.
One of the freed hostages, who did not give his name, said the first thing the gunmen did when they entered the church was to shoot the priest.
This matches what I heard on BBC radio during the night here, that they shot the priest immediately upon entering the church.

I hadn’t realized this church is their cathedral. It was mentioned as the cathedral in the Prayers of the Faithful at the Oakland Cathedral of Christ the Light All Saints’ Day Mass at noon.
 
Dear poster,
It does’nt seem that The christian church was intentionally
targeted at least in these news.
However , these news are’nt truly for US citizens interests,
as any other news which does’nt involve US army.
This does’nt even interest any european countries citizens
since they are not the harmed ones.
Yes , there is no true sad feelings arising from any of the
coalition countries who fought for The Freedom and Prosperity
and Democracy of the Iraqui people. If you like to stay
naive and throw every persecution act on the Extremist Muslims
as their only mistake, I can’t agree with you. Because, the
real mistake of all these persecutions , is the result of a very
bad politic withdrawn by Those countries who consider themselves
Christian countries. Yes , let us first blame ourselves as Christians
than try to juge justly the others.
I pray that the Christ will remain followed in the Middle East
in spite of all mistakes.
Peace and Good
Nohamaria:)
Your seeming attempt to assign responsibility for these attacks on Christians in the ME and elsewhere is not only ineffective, it is mistaken at the least and suspicious to me at the most. The persecution of Christians and other faiths for that matter are not real news…just recent headlines. This has been going on for a long time. The plight of Assyrians…just as one example…is heartbreaking and a glaring example of the intolerance of Islam…not “bad politics”.
 
From Joan Lewis’ blog today:
If you wish to express your condolences and remembrance in prayers to Bishops Bashar Warda and Amel Nona – who can convey them to the Church in Baghdad - please** write me at the address below. I will create a Word document from those letters and see that the two bishops receive it.** Heartfelt thanks in advance!
…Write to Joan at joansrome@ewtn.com
She also quotes a long piece from AINA, the Assyrian International News Agency.

Joan has done some wonderful reporting about our ECC in the Latin press she works for as EWTN’s Rome bureau chief. The Iraqi bishops begged her to come to Iraq earlier this year in order to learn about the terrible situation for Christians there, and get the word out to western Catholics.
 
“Since the collapse of Saddam Hussein’s regime, more than half the country’s Christian population has been forced by targeted violence to seek refuge abroad or to live away from their homes as internally displaced people. According to the Hammurabi Human Rights Organization, over 700 Christians, including bishops and priests, have been killed and 61 churches have been bombed.
Thirty-six hours after Sunday’s bloody siege on Baghdad’s Syriac Catholic cathedral, early today saw a mass funeral for seven of its nearly 60 dead.
Held in a Chaldean Catholic parish due to the damage taken by the site of the attack, the emotional liturgy – led, in the absence of the Syriac archbishop, by the Chaldean patriarch Cardinal Emmanuel III Delly – saw Muslims and Christians join in an appeal for an end to violence, and the reading of a condolence telegram from Pope Benedict:
Survivors accounts reported in LA TImes.

I saw Fr Loya tonight and asked if he plans to have Juliana Taimoorazy of the Iraqi Christian Relief on his program again soon. He does. She was last on June 08, 2010, #298.
 
Your seeming attempt to assign responsibility for these attacks on Christians in the ME and elsewhere is not only ineffective, it is mistaken at the least and suspicious to me at the most. The persecution of Christians and other faiths for that matter are not real news…just recent headlines. This has been going on for a long time. The plight of Assyrians…just as one example…is heartbreaking and a glaring example of the intolerance of Islam…not “bad politics”.
Why suspicious? Telling the truth, judging ourselves is not a suspicious
act. It is even requested by the Christ himself.
Do you even realize that before Iraqui freedom coalition’s mission,
the christians where living peacefuly in Iraq and unharmed?
I can’t condemn a beleive followers who allow killing in their
beleif for God, because it is their beleif, but , I can condemn
a beleif follower who have love and peace in their beleif,
but they choose to make destructive weapons and
rule the world by power.
A muslim country , when having to be friendly to another christian powerful country
they ask them first to build a mosque for praying. But , the same powerful
christian country, ask for money and resources and forget about
Gods christian mission. That’s why , there is no churches in Saudi Arabia,
but there is mosques in every christian country.
Please think about it . And let us tell the truth about ourselves,
and why bad politics lead us to persecution.
No one is innocent, but only the Christ is.
Peace
Nohamaria:)
 
Dear Friends,
I am truly very sad about The persecution of christians
in Iraq, and hope this will stop.
All the christians in ME are now threatened and only God
can help them.
I pray for the rest of souls of the last christians martyrs in Iraq.
May god have mercy on us all.
Peace and Good.
Nohamaria:signofcross::highprayer:
 
These photos show the extent of damage to the church
ankawa.com/forum/index.php/topic,453405.0.html

This video channel has videos showing witnesses detailing their experiences in the situation, videos of the damage in Iraq, clergy offering their condolences, and many more videos concerning middle eastern Christianity (in Arabic)
youtube.com/user/telelumiere

This video documents the tragic event and the plight of Iraqi christians (in Arabic) - this might be too graphic for some viewers because of the images of the deceased martyrs.
youtube.com/watch?v=pWlt4CwrTTE

With the souls of the righteous who repose in peace, grant rest O Savior, to the souls of Your servants and bestow upon them the blessed life which is from You, O Lover of Mankind. Within Your peace where all Your saints repose grant rest, O Savior, to the souls of Your servants for You alone are immortal.
 
if this news item was on pants versus skirts- it would have 1,000 replies and also linked to dozens of blogs. BUT it’s just a bunch of Catholics getting slaughtered. The apathy is shocking
My heart goes out to them. We have a Chaldean priest who’s bi-ritual and would come to our parish to sub-in for our pastor when he’s away. He has the most interesting homilies because he always relates the teachings to the struggles of Iraqi Catholics. He was a parish priest as well when he was in Iraq. He would tell of times he would ask people to not to attend Sunday Liturgy for fear of slaughter. But there still would be some who would show up. I’m sure he is so saddened by this news right now. He’s lucky that he got to go to Syria and then here to Canada where he now tends to the flock of Chaldeans here in our metropolis.
 
These photos show the extent of damage to the church
ankawa.com/forum/index.php/topic,453405.0.html

This video channel has videos showing witnesses detailing their experiences in the situation, videos of the damage in Iraq, clergy offering their condolences, and many more videos concerning middle eastern Christianity (in Arabic)
youtube.com/user/telelumiere

This video documents the tragic event and the plight of Iraqi christians (in Arabic) - this might be too graphic for some viewers because of the images of the deceased martyrs.
youtube.com/watch?v=pWlt4CwrTTE

With the souls of the righteous who repose in peace, grant rest O Savior, to the souls of Your servants and bestow upon them the blessed life which is from You, O Lover of Mankind. Within Your peace where all Your saints repose grant rest, O Savior, to the souls of Your servants for You alone are immortal.
Thank you for sharing these. Do you read Arabic? The earlier reports said Fr Wasim Sabieh, and Fr Thaier Saad Abdal were killed, and that Fr Qatin was wounded during the raid and died later in hospital. In other reports Fr Qatin’s name did not appear among the priests who were killed. English language press has been unclear about this.
 
Joan Lewis’ blog had a letter yesterday from Chaldean Archbishop Amel Nona of Mosul, Iraq
Above all I want to thank you for your prayers and sentiments in our regards during these very difficult and painful days. I have a message that I hope you can bring to your readers and radio listeners…
In these days in which we are living the pain of the loss of our Christian brothers in Baghdad, we feel as if we are lost. We cannot begin to understand the amount of hatred and rancor that drives man to perform such an inhuman act. We are still in shock and we live as if in the catacombs, especially us in Mosul, because they have threatened all Christians. This is our situation. There is a great and strong evil in this world that is being perpetrated by men, but what can we do? We are convinced that the light of the Lord is stronger than hatred, that mercy is more beautiful than pain, the power of love is needed and hoped for. They kill us but we will live; they hate us but we will love more; they persecute us but we will shine like light. Our life is the light of life because the Lord shines his light through ours. The answer to our security is to live this way: to try to understand the hatred inside of others but to make our light shine forth because the world needs this light. Pray for us, that we will be able to love even more.”
Reminder that Joan has offered to deliver condolences and remembrance in prayers to Bishops Bashar Warda and Amel Nona – who can convey them to the Church in Baghdad. Write to Joan at joansrome@ewtn.com
 
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