H1N1 and the Eastern Churches

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I’ve seen quite a few postings about Communion on the Tongue and the Pax and even receiving from the Chalice being discouraged in Latin Churches because of fear of spreading the H1N1 virus.

I’ve heard of NO Eastern Churches, Orthodox or Catholic, stopping the practice of using the Communion spoon for this reason.

Has anyone here?
 
H1N1 panic is rooted in the fear that it is equivalent to the Spanish Flu of 1917. It isn’t. It isn’t even as bad as the regular flu. Stop panic mongering.
 
It is not I who do the panic-mongering by banning Communion on the Tongue, from the Chalice, and physical contacdt during the Pax.
 
Oh sorry, I usually do a better job of not being unintentionally accusatory. I didn’t mean to insinuate that you were panic mongering, it was more of a general admonition like “don’t do drugs”.
 
Nobody has anything to contribute to discussion on this issue?

How curious!
 
I wouldn’t expect your parish, or any Eastern parish (Orthodox or Catholic) to change over this.

But I am wondering how Eastern Christians feel on this matter.
 
I started a thread at Byzcath.org on the use of plastic spoons. Yes, one plastic spoon per communicant. New spoons taken out of one basket, used spoons placed in a second basket. I’m pretty sure all of them were burnt after the service (one hopes!) Each Ukrainian parish in Toronto decides how far it wants to go re: H1N1 but this was how the one parish handled the issue.

My parents aren’t particularly thrilled that some Roman-rite parishes have mandated communion in the hand.
 
About flu and viruses.

brace yourself.

No virus has life, it’s just a piece of dead meat without a membrane. the air is loaded with such fragments. It is my opinion that many viruses are fragments of cells that escaped phagocytosis in the body.

Without life, a virus cannot DO anything. The viral theory was brought in to shore up the failing germ theory and is just as whacky as the latter.

E.g., there never was an AIDS epidemic, there is no AIDS epidemic now, and people who died from the disease were originally homosexuals shooting drugs, burning out their immune systems. The HIV is a harmless passenger virus and the whole thing was trumped up just as the present flu scare is being trumped up.

Think about it. If you could “CATCH” the flu or a cold or whatever, all the doctors and nurses would be sick all the time. Even venereal disease is not as catchy as you would think. Besides, intercourse provides a laboratory environment to grow biological things, nice and warm and wet - however for example, if a female has a properly acid vaginal pH of 4.0 that pH would knock off any bug gaining entrance.

Medical quackery still abounds and most people are propagandized. I suggest you run to the store or get online and get a used copy of Peter Duesberg’s book Inventing The AIDS Virus. Then start looking around for more info to rid yourself of all that bad propaganda.

Good luck in your search,

40 years of clinical experience
 
E.g., there never was an AIDS epidemic, there is no AIDS epidemic now, and people who died from the disease were originally homosexuals shooting drugs, burning out their immune systems
**Except, of course, for virgins and babies and even nuns who got it from infected blood.

And hemophiliacs who got it through Factor VIII made from infected blood.

And chaste spouses who caught it from their infected spouses.

And hospital workers who caught it from needlesticks and other contact with infected blood products, including Gerthe Raske, the first known Western sufferer from it.

And so on.**
 
this will be your last chance to save yourself from quack medicine mind control.

When the predicted epidemic didn’t happen the CDC/NIH criminals just added 25 old diseases under the heading of AIDS so TB, Uterine Cancer etc, is listed under AIDS.

AIDS is not an infectious disease it is a deficiency, auto immune deficiency, you can’t catch a deficiency, go check with Magic Johnson’s wife and poor old Arthur Ash’s wife, they killed him. Magic got the word from some of his highly placed friends and never took the AZT. AZT killed anyone who absorbed it and also caused the physical signs of AIDS.

In the case of the homo dentist who had eight people sue him, they all died but one, the one older lady in the group who refused the treatment with AZT. Last I heard she was still alive.

Go get the book and read it…get some antivaccination books and educate yourself out of your vulnerable state.

this will be my last post on the subject.
 
John_Larocque said:
I started a thread at Byzcath.org on the use of plastic spoons. Yes, one plastic spoon per communicant. New spoons taken out of one basket, used spoons placed in a second basket. I’m pretty sure all of them were burnt after the service (one hopes!) Each Ukrainian parish in Toronto decides how far it wants to go re: H1N1 but this was how the one parish handled the issue.

My parents aren’t particularly thrilled that some Roman-rite parishes have mandated communion in the hand.
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Oh ye of little faith, This is the precious Body and Blood of Jesus you are talking about. I can’t understand why any body would fear a germ. GET REAL. The Blood of Christ will protect you from any thing.:eek:
 
this will be my last post on the subject.
**Promise? :extrahappy:

Btw, Robert, I agree with you!**
 
While there is way too much hysteria around H1N1 and the handling of the host before it is put on your tongue is probably a great example of it, I would not be so sure (as stated by white sheep) that this flu is not as bad as “regular flu”.

This forthcoming flu season might be the one that the Northern Hemisphere is subjected to 2 types of flu…typical (for which there is a flu shot) and H1N1 (for which there will be another flu shot). This means that the viruses are different…having a second “opportunity” for flu does put you at more danger of contracting the flu. H1N1 is more virulent than typical flu and it does have a higher mortality rate, particularly in countries where modern medical care is scarce. But does this mean that Northern Hemisphere Catholics…non-Eastern stock…should avoid receiving the Eucharist?

White Sheep, I share your pain…where do reasonably intelligent people come up with these scenarios?

Charlottecath
 
bpbasilphx said:
I’ve seen quite a few postings about Communion on the Tongue and the Pax and even receiving from the Chalice being discouraged in Latin Churches because of fear of spreading the H1N1 virus.

I’ve heard of NO Eastern Churches, Orthodox or Catholic, stopping the practice of using the Communion spoon for this reason.

Has anyone here?
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At St. Basil we received in the way of the Melkites (we are Ruthenian), The Body is dipped into the precious Blood and dropped into our mouth. After the scare was over, we returned to receiving via the spoon.
 
Robertwilliam said:
Oh ye of little faith, This is the precious Body and Blood of Jesus you are talking about. I can’t understand why any body would fear a germ. GET REAL. The Blood of Christ will protect you from any thing.:eek:
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Ding…ding…ding, we have a winner!

Yours in Christ
Joe
 
Why are some being accused of little faith?
The precious body and blood are most certainly present, but that doesn’t mean that any germs or viruses that are transferred onto the spoon from previous communicants are somehow removed by the holy mysteries.
 
Do you actually think that Jesus would allow these germs to infect those who receive His Body and Blood?
 
bpbasilphx said:
Do you actually think that Jesus would allow these germs to infect those who receive His Body and Blood?
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I don’t see how you assert one from the other?
If one were to ask this question, then one can also ask how Jesus would allow someone with any ailment to continue to affect one who receives His Body and Blood?
Why would His body and blood cure a sore throat, or a cold, or cancer for that matter.

The point isn’t that the precious body and blood are not effecacious. They truly are. But what they do is transform the person spiritually in their soul.

I have no doubts that the sacrament of the eucharist can certainly have such a miraculous affect as to conteract the natural course of the transmission of viruses and germs, but if this be the case, then there would be a measurable way to indicate this. and there is nothing in scripture or tradition that indicates that the eucharist prevents against disease.

I think that one is ascribing something to the eucharist that it is not. It is not a medical barrier.

Why do you think that it would do this?
 
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