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rdscheirer
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Is this prophecy about the US?
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Immanuel_Can
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Well, this is the passage:
“Shall not all these take up a taunt against him, satire and epigrams about him, to say: Woe to him who stores up what is not his: how long can it last! he loads himself down with debts. Shall not your creditors rise suddenly? Shall not they who make you tremble awake? You shall become their spoil!” (NAB)
As far as if it relates to the US or not, I’d warn you against injecting nationalist meaning into any Scripture passage, as this can color the actual meaning of the text. While it could be the US of which the passage speaks, it’s highly doubtful.
“Shall not all these take up a taunt against him, satire and epigrams about him, to say: Woe to him who stores up what is not his: how long can it last! he loads himself down with debts. Shall not your creditors rise suddenly? Shall not they who make you tremble awake? You shall become their spoil!” (NAB)
As far as if it relates to the US or not, I’d warn you against injecting nationalist meaning into any Scripture passage, as this can color the actual meaning of the text. While it could be the US of which the passage speaks, it’s highly doubtful.
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Spencerian
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Hi, there.
This is a new one for me: I’m slowly making my way through the lesser-known books of the Old Testament.
Based on what I’ve been able to find about the Book of Habakkuk (also, see the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Habacac) there are only three books.
An earlier poster noted the verse: it’s from Habakkuk 2:6-7.
I concur that trying to gain prophecy from Scripture is very, very ill-advised. Perhaps an apologist’s version of this book (such as the RSV-CE) would give an analysis.
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rdscheirer
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I realize that it was written about Assyria but as I was reading it it seemed to me pertinent to the way it is today with US borrowing so much money from the rest of the world. Does not the Bible give proper counsel and guidnace for every generation?
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Immanuel_Can
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The Bible does indeed give proper counsel and guidance for every generation, but it is guidance for precisely that…every generation. While Americans could certainly apply its teachings just as well as any nation could, the Bible is not meant to any one nation specifically.
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Fidelis
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“Proper counsel and guidnace” are one thing; applying prophecy definitively to contemporary persons or events is another. That is how some Protestant fundamentalists abuse Sacred Scripture.
The most one could say is that this prophecy, originally aimed at Assyria, could serve as a warning at any point in history to rich and powerful nations; and that if the shoe fits, take heed.
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TheRenegade
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IC, I cannot disagree with you more… The bible was formed in Africa and people seem to continuously believe that it is for the salvation of all the world. This, indeed, is incorrect. If you were to look at the history of the scriptures Christians use, you could trace the original documents of the “bible” back to the African tribes of what is Ethiopia…
Ethiopia (Bible-period Africa) is mentioned so many times in the Bible that one would presume that its extensive political, cultural and economic significance in the Biblical period was common knowledge…
Below, I provide a few examples of the recognition given to Africa in the ancient times:
Jeremiah 13:23:
Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
Amos 9:7:
Are you not as children of Ethiopia unto me, O children of Israel. Have I not brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt?
Nahum 3:9:
Ethiopia and Egypt were her strength, and it was infinite; Punt and Lubim were thy helpers.
Zephania 3:10:
From beyond the borders of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed shall bring mine offering.
Genesis 2:13:
Ethiopia is one of the first countries mentioned in the Bible. It is associated with the garden of Eden.
Genesis 10:6-20:
Describes the kingdoms founded by the families of the founders of Ethiopia.
Numbers 12:1:
And Miriam and Aaron spake against Moses because of the Ethiopian woman whom he had married: for he had married an Ethiopian woman.
Later on in his career, Moses was sheltered and counseled by his Ethiopian father-in-law, Jethro (Exodus 3:1, 4:18,18:1-12)
2 Kings 19:9:
And when he heard say of Tirhakah king of Ethiopia, Behold, he is come out to fight against thee: he (king of Babylon) sent messengers again unto Hezekiah…
1 Kings 12:8:
Behold, I have chosen you special people of Ethiopia says the God of Africana
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Immanuel_Can
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I’m not sure where you got your Scripture version…your passages seem a bit strange. Also, what is the support for your argument that the documents can be traced back to Africa?
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TheRenegade
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I refer you to the book
The Africans Who Wrote The Bible:
Ancient Secrets Africa and Christianity Have Never Told
Judaism is the African way of life. Judaism was the religion developed in Africa by African people. It was adopted and adapted in a similar fashion to the Yoruba Orisha worship (Vodoun, Santeria, Lacumi, Condomble, etc) and is still being co-opted and altered by non-Africans today. To speak of an African influence on Judaism is like speaking of an African influence on Orisha Worship. It is not an African influence. It is still African and represents an African way of life.
Along with Cheikh Anta Diop, Alex Darkwah also traces Ancient Egypt to geographical Africa. Darkwah has DNA on his side; whereas, Diop used archeological artifacts, culture, and documentary text to prove his research. He was still challenged by “Europe” and his findings were labeled “untrue” by the scientific world. Darkwah proves that Africans wrote the Bible even though your personal “King James” Version of the Bible may have pages laced with White Greek characters and distributed throughout the world.
The Africans Who Wrote The Bible:
Ancient Secrets Africa and Christianity Have Never Told
Judaism is the African way of life. Judaism was the religion developed in Africa by African people. It was adopted and adapted in a similar fashion to the Yoruba Orisha worship (Vodoun, Santeria, Lacumi, Condomble, etc) and is still being co-opted and altered by non-Africans today. To speak of an African influence on Judaism is like speaking of an African influence on Orisha Worship. It is not an African influence. It is still African and represents an African way of life.
Along with Cheikh Anta Diop, Alex Darkwah also traces Ancient Egypt to geographical Africa. Darkwah has DNA on his side; whereas, Diop used archeological artifacts, culture, and documentary text to prove his research. He was still challenged by “Europe” and his findings were labeled “untrue” by the scientific world. Darkwah proves that Africans wrote the Bible even though your personal “King James” Version of the Bible may have pages laced with White Greek characters and distributed throughout the world.
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thistle
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