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Burt_Macklin said:
Family Values Activist Josh Duggar Had a Paid Ashley Madison Account

I know it is Gawker that turned up the story but the evidence seems pretty incriminating. There are two accounts paid from credit cards in the name of Joshua Duggar and linked to his homes in Fayetteville, AR and Oxon Hill, MD.
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That’s unfortunate. Whatever he gets, if this is true (and not someone setting him up), he’ll deserve. But the problem when high profile Christians get busted like this is that it smears all Christians in the eyes of secularists. 😦
 
AKDee said:
That’s unfortunate. Whatever he gets, if this is true (and not someone setting him up), he’ll deserve. But the problem when high profile Christians get busted like this is that it smears all Christians in the eyes of secularists. 😦
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That’s true. We shouldn’t judge until we know for sure.
 
Reminds me of something my mother told me and I told my kids. If you think it is something you wouldn’t want your grandmother or future grandchildren to know, don’t put it in writing. An internet site is the same as an old fashioned letter or diary. And it doesn’t matter what kind of site.
 
AKDee said:
But the problem when high profile Christians get busted like this is that it smears all Christians in the eyes of secularists. 😦
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As a secularist, I don’t think it smears all Christians.

However, I do think it smears the particular branch of extreme fundamentalism practiced by the Duggar family. They spent lots of time, money, and energy sealing their child away from the world, grooming their firstborn and crafting every small part of his life, and he turns out to be a hypocritical, deceitful degenerate.
 
The 32 million figure is world wide. There is a graph here that shows some of the breakup.

It would appear that on a per-capita basis, Australia does really badly in the cheating stakes. 3 cities in the top 20. 4 if we push that out to 25. Shocking considering we only have a population of 22 million and we really only have 4 large cities.

The US and Canada are much more faithful nations.

Some people would choose to use their work account because it is one email that their partners will never have access too.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
As a secularist, I don’t think it smears all Christians.

However, I do think it smears the particular branch of extreme fundamentalism practiced by the Duggar family. They spent lots of time, money, and energy sealing their child away from the world, grooming their firstborn and crafting every small part of his life, and he turns out to be a hypocritical, deceitful degenerate.
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He was the firstborn and maybe he didn’t get enough attention growing up with so many younger brothers and sisters. maybe he resented being the firstborn because when he was born the parents might have been poor as well. I am not sure how well he was groomed as you say. He might have been resentful. It is odd that his is the first high profile name to be singled out since this story broke. Will the media be selective about the celebrities they discover on this site?
one can say this has not been a good year for Josh Duggar.
 
7_Sorrows said:
It is odd that his is the first high profile name to be singled out since this story broke. Will the media be selective about the celebrities they discover on this site?
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No other celebrities have made their livelihoods as spokespersons for the Family Research Council and champions of the “sanctity of marriage”. If any other celebrities reach this height of hypocrisy and hubris, then I’m sure that they’ll be put through the wringer.
 
AKDee said:
That’s unfortunate. Whatever he gets, if this is true (and not someone setting him up), he’ll deserve. But the problem when high profile Christians get busted like this is that it smears all Christians in the eyes of secularists. 😦
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I suspect this is one of the reasons why Jesus never had anything nice to say about the self-righteous.
 
Darryl_Revok said:
As a secularist, I don’t think it smears all Christians.

However, I do think it smears the particular branch of extreme fundamentalism practiced by the Duggar family. They spent lots of time, money, and energy sealing their child away from the world, grooming their firstborn and crafting every small part of his life, and he turns out to be a hypocritical, deceitful degenerate.
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I agree with everything that you said, I just have a question, when you say “extreme fundamentalism” what does that mean? How does that compare to moderate fundamentalism? What does fundamentalism mean? A fundamentalist seems to be someone whom one disagrees with.

If a fundamentalist literally means one who adheres to the fundamentals of their faith, then we Catholics are fundamentalists, and sects like the Duggars are actually Progressive, since they have progressed past the original fundementals ( sacraments, priesthood, apostolic succession etc) of the religion they profess (Christianity)

I just really get annoyed when key catch phrases like “extreme” and “fundamentalist” are used so rhetorically all the time, they lose their meanings. Meanings matter for truth, everything else is just emotion.
 
Kelfa28 said:
I agree with everything that you said, I just have a question, when you say “extreme fundamentalism” what does that mean? How does that compare to moderate fundamentalism? What does fundamentalism mean? A fundamentalist seems to be someone whom one disagrees with.
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I disagree with a lot of people. But a lot of people don’t openly act like they’re better than everyone else. My definition of a fundamentalist is extreme self-righteousness coupled with extreme lack of humility. The Duggars fit the bill; so does Tony Perkins, Bill Donohue, etc.
If a fundamentalist literally means one who adheres to the fundamentals of their faith, then we Catholics are fundamentalists, and sects like the Duggars are actually Progressive, since they have progressed past the original fundementals ( sacraments, priesthood, apostolic succession etc) of the religion they profess (Christianity)
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And Christianity progressed past the fundamentals of Judaism (the temple, the high priesthood, the holy of holies, etc.) As an atheist, I don’t find the differences between various faiths compelling enough to quibble over semantics.
 
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