Hail, Holy Queen

[cpayne]

Regarding prophecies: I do seem to remember something about crushing the head of the serpent–and then there’s “Behold, the virgin shall conceive”–and then there’s–etc.

 

[gap51]

The young girl’s name was Miriam - not Mary. If Miriam were a god, she would never have needed a Savior. Take a look …

Yes! and Jesus’ name was "Yeshua". Why don’t you refer to Him by that name?

 

[Church_Militant]

Our Life, our sweetness, our hope? I have a problem with this in regards to Mary. Not so much the sweetness part, but our Life and our Hope??? That seems to me to be elevating Mary to the same place as our Lord. I’m sure I’m misundertanding or misinterpreting this, (I hope), but some good Catholic answers would be helpful.

TIA,
oneseeker

I have thought long and hard on this and I love this prayer. My thinking is that it has somehow been all run together because it says,

“Mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope.”

In the context of the rest of the prayer I am of the opinion that we are here speaking of Our Lord and actually saying the Blessed Virgin is the mother of…mercy, sweetness, life, and hope, which is the actual Catholic teaching.

I have no problem with it at all.
Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[Eliza10]

Why are such things as ‘life’ and ‘hope’ the exclusive domain of God alone? Don’t your parents give you life when they create your body? So in that sense couldn’t you call them ‘your life’ as well? Wouldn’t you call the one doctor in the world who knows how to treat some rare illness your ‘hope’ as well, if you suffered from it?

Clearly these are not qualities or epithets that belong to Christ alone, although they do belong to him in a supreme measure. It pleases him to grant others a share in these qualities of his. And who more so than his blessed Mother, closest to him of all humanity?

Nice explanation, Lily!

 

[Eliza10]

Hello … I’m not a Catholic so I’ll be talking strictly from the true words of Christ and the Apostles … .

Are all the true words of Christ and the apostles in the Bible? What about the Apostles Creed?

Are you implying Catholic doctrine is not supported by scripture? If that is what you think than you have a long way to go in understanding what Catholicism really is. Look and see, if you really want the truth. You will find the truth and see its quite different from what you hear from Jack Chick and James White and your pastor (who heard from them). Seek the truth, and the truth will set you free.

…The young girl’s name was Miriam - not Mary. If Miriam were a god, she would never have needed a Savior. . .

So two thousand years of calling her Mary needs to be corrected. Thats a lot of cleanup.

That “young girl” you are referring to is Mary, Mother of God. If you are to imitate Christ, then you are to endeavor to love and respect and honor and reverence her as He did - perfectly.

…http://www.themostholyrosary.com/virgin-mary-mother-of-god-virgo-maria.jpg

…O Most Gracious Virgin Mary,
**>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>**Never was it known that
… anyone who fled to thy
… protection, implored thy help, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **sought **thy intercession was left
… unaided…

 

[Mannyfit75]

I thought by now most Protestants and Catholics don’t believe Mary is God. There must be someone out there who keeps circulating this false about Catholics…hmmm.

Maybe we miss a memo that Mary is a goddess. Did you get that?

We Catholics do not worship Mary, those Non-Catholics need to get that their heads.

Type this 100 times.

1. Catholics do not worship Mary.
2. Catholic do not worship Mary.

If you claim that we do, we claim You Protestants that you worship the wall of the Church whom you raise you hands up, and look upon.

1. Protestants worship the Ceiling of the Church.

Of course I am trying to point out the sillyness of this ridicule bias that Protestant have that we worship Mary. Of course I know, they don’t. I know that but such general judgment of what we Catholics do with regard to Mary is just foolish.

 

[Eliza10]

1. Protestants worship the Ceiling of the Church…

 

[Abira]

lol What a strange thread!

As an Anglican, I have concerns about this prayer and feel uncomfortable reading it or saying it. I simply miss it out when I pray the rosary and will think about it again if and when i’m good and ready to.

I think that protestants feel the way (though not as er…harshly?) because:

1. they are not familiar or comfortable with much of the imagery/statues and such associated with catholicism and so it seems strange to them.
2. in my upbringing, this kind of angaue has only ever been reserved for God… so when we see it there it seems strange.
3. latria, hyperdulia and dulia are what??? lol
4. these three terms work in theology, but in reality the lines can become blurred to an outsider… as it is impossible t see someone’s intentions through thei actions in worship.
5. the word ‘worship’ has changed in its meaning… so worship had a far greater range, whereas nowadays worship means worship of god…

but anyway… strange thread

S

 

[mayra_hart]

Mary is hidden,almost invisible.She " kept all these things and pondered them in her heart." Like John the Baptist, Mary disappears before Christ.( that’s why Christ called John the Baptist the greatest of all the prophets ( matt. 11:11) because his whole program was that “He must increase,but i must decrease” (john 3:30). Mary is greatest because she is smallest. Fundamentalist object that Mary gets in the way of christ. In fact,it is the exact opposite. She is like the morning air to the rising sun (the rising Son!). this is a quoted from mr Peter Kreeft, a convert. whenever i read articles that critized the repect and honor has for Mary , i read this many articles from converts and wonder why fundamentalist believe are so wrong. to manny i found your article about the protestants worship of the ceiling very funny, good job. “O most holy apostle, St. Jude, faithful servant and friend of Jesus, people honor and invoke you universally, as the patron of hopeless cases, of things almost despaired of. Pray for me, for I am so helpless and alone. Please help to bring me visible and speedy assistance. Come to my assistance in this great need that I may receive the consolation and help of heaven in all my necessities, tribulations, and sufferings, particularly (state your request) and that I may praise God with you always.”

 

[kleary]

Our Life, our sweetness, our hope? I have a problem with this in regards to Mary. Not so much the sweetness part, but our Life and our Hope??? That seems to me to be elevating Mary to the same place as our Lord. I’m sure I’m misundertanding or misinterpreting this, (I hope), but some good Catholic answers would be helpful.

TIA,
oneseeker

says the Church back to you for even thinking not to call the “Mother of God” (which you MUST believe in order to be a “Christian”.) “Our life, our sweetness and our hope.”

Our hope for salvation was pinned on her very response to the Archangel, our very life depended on her response to the Archangel…oh how sweet she was to say yes, to the Archangel.

Ken

 

[jarg1946]

Hello … I’m not a Catholic so I’ll be talking strictly from the true words of Christ and the Apostles …

We are all FORBIDDEN to pray to statues of dead people. We are also FORBIDDEN to construe a DISCIPLE OF CHRIST as a god or goddess. It’s called idolatry and is listed as the First Commandment. Take a look … from the New King James …

Deuteronomy 20:3-5:
You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make for yourself an image IN THE FORM OF ANYTHING …You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God.

The young girl’s name was Miriam - not Mary. If Miriam were a god, she would never have needed a Savior. Take a look …

Luke 1: 46
And Mary said: “ My soul magnifies the Lord and my spirit has rejoiced in God MY SAVIOR.

Here’s the bottom line … Only the Son of God has EARNED THE RIGHT to hear our prayers and confessions because He was crucified and then glorified. He said “All power has been given to Me.” And that doesn’t include young Miriam.

Furthermore, if Mary were a god then the Prophets Abraham, Moses, David, Isaiah and countless others would have prophesied of “her coming” hundreds of year earlier. But no, they only prophesied about the Man from Galilee. May Proverbs 10:22 rest on your house today and forever. .

Mary is our Heavenly Mother. And she is your Heavenly Mother also. I know you love Jesus so you must love that person who brought him life through the Holy Spirit. You don’t have to be Catholic to Love Mary. God Bless you!

 

[YADA]

We honor Mary, the Mother of Jesus, and ask for her prayers to be united with ours. We ask this, knowing that she brought forth this “Hope” for the world by her discipleship and love for God. She answered yes, a virgin “highly favored” by God and upon whom all believers in Jesus through the ages would call “blessed”

Hail, Holy Queen. Mother of Mercy, our Life, our Sweetness and our Hope

Hail Holy Queen = Mary, the mother of Jesus, the mother of God, the God-bearer, Ark of the New Covenant, the New Eve…

Mother of Mercy = Mercy refers to Jesus
[the mother of] our Life = Life refers to Jesus
[the mother of] our Sweetness = the Sweetness of the world is Jesus
[the mother of] our Hope = he Hope of the world lies in Jesus

and your problem with this prayer is?

 

[cor]

[the mother of] our Life = Life refers to Jesus
[the mother of] our Sweetness = the Sweetness of the world is Jesus
[the mother of] our Hope = he Hope of the world lies in Jesus

and your problem with this prayer is?

That’s not accurate. In the original Latin text of the prayer, the words are inflected grammatically in such a way that “life” “sweetness” and “hope” all refer to Mary, not to that which she is the mother of. The Latin reads:

Salve, Regína,
Mater misericórdiæ,
vita, dulcédo et spes nostra, salve.

If your interpretation were accurate, “vita” “dulcedo” and “spes” would all be in the genitive case (just as “misericordiae” is), but they are not. This is perhaps reflected more clearly in the UK version of the prayer:

Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy,
Hail our life, our sweetness and our hope!

Both the original Latin and the UK as well as US version can be found here in the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html

A classic Catholic hymn, inspired by this prayer, but unfortunately no longer commonly sung in today’s “modern” parishes, is:

Hail, Holy Queen enthroned above, O Maria!
Hail, Mother of mercy and of love, O Maria!
Triumph all ye cherubim!
Sing with us ye seraphim!
Heaven and earth resound the hymn!
Salve, salve, salve, Regina!

Our life, our sweetness here below, O Maria!
Our hope in sorrow and in woe, O Maria!
Triumph all ye cherubim!
Sing with us ye seraphim!
Heaven and earth resound the hymn!
Salve, salve, salve, Regina!

And when our last breath leaves us, O Maria!
Show us thy son Christ Jesus, O Maria!
Triumph all ye cherubim!
Sing with us ye seraphim!
Heaven and earth resound the hymn!
Salve, salve, salve, Regina!

If lovers call each other their “sweetness”, I see nothing at all wrong with calling Mary whom we should love more than our lovers, our “sweetness” as well as our “hope” and our “life.” To have ardent love for Mary honors God; it gives Him joy.

 

[LilyM]

That’s not accurate. In the original Latin text of the prayer, the words are inflected grammatically in such a way that “life” “sweetness” and “hope” all refer to Mary, not to that which she is the mother of. The Latin reads:

Salve, Regína,
Mater misericórdiæ,
vita, dulcédo et spes nostra, salve.

If your interpretation were accurate, “vita” “dulcedo” and “spes” would all be in the genitive case (just as “misericordiae” is), but they are not. This is perhaps reflected more clearly in the UK version of the prayer:

Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy,
Hail our life, our sweetness and our hope!

Both the original Latin and the UK as well as US version can be found here in the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html

A classic Catholic hymn, inspired by this prayer, but unfortunately no longer commonly sung in today’s “modern” parishes, is:

Hail, Holy Queen enthroned above, O Maria!
Hail, Mother of mercy and of love, O Maria!
Triumph all ye cherubim!
Sing with us ye seraphim!
Heaven and earth resound the hymn!
Salve, salve, salve, Regina!

Our life, our sweetness here below, O Maria!
Our hope in sorrow and in woe, O Maria!
Triumph all ye cherubim!
Sing with us ye seraphim!
Heaven and earth resound the hymn!
Salve, salve, salve, Regina!

And when our last breath leaves us, O Maria!
Show us thy son Christ Jesus, O Maria!
Triumph all ye cherubim!
Sing with us ye seraphim!
Heaven and earth resound the hymn!
Salve, salve, salve, Regina!

If lovers call each other their “sweetness”, I see nothing at all wrong with calling Mary whom we should love more than our lovers, our “sweetness” as well as our “hope” and our “life.” To have ardent love for Mary honors God; it gives Him joy.

Aaah, anyone who’s seen Sister Act knows that hymn

 

[kaycee]

Mary is our Heavenly Mother. And she is your Heavenly Mother also. I know you love Jesus so you must love that person who brought him life through the Holy Spirit. You don’t have to be Catholic to Love Mary. God Bless you!

Should’nt we love the Apostle John more (“the disciple whom Jesus loved”.) Many references to Mary by Jesus seems to be almost rude "And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come.”

To say that God Loves Mary more than any other human or has elevated her to “Queen of Heaven” is pure conjecture and a symptom of what happens when tradition trumps scripture.

 

[Randy_Carson]

Should’nt we love the Apostle John more (“the disciple whom Jesus loved”.) Many references to Mary by Jesus seems to be almost rude "And Jesus said to her, “Woman, what does that have to do with us? My hour has not yet come.”

To say that God Loves Mary more than any other human or has elevated her to “Queen of Heaven” is pure conjecture and a symptom of what happens when tradition trumps scripture.

Actually, to deny that Mary is the Queen of Heaven is an example of what happens when you separate the Bible Alone from the living Church which produced it.

Elsewhere, I have given numerous quotes from the ECF’s concerning Mary as Queen…would you like to see them again? I think they provide ample evidence of what the early Church actually thought about this issue.

Finally, this topic is covered masterfully in Edward Sri’s doctoral dissertation - now a published book:

ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HYWDMFDQL.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20.jpg

You can get it from Amazon for about $10. Kaycee, this is probably one you’ll want to add to your library.

amazon.com/Queen-Mother-Biblical-Theology-Queenship/dp/1931018243/ref=sr_1_1/103-7070600-0184630?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1179760713&sr=8-1

Hope this helps. :tiphat:

 

[kaycee]

Actually, to deny that Mary is the Queen of Heaven is an example of what happens when you separate the Bible Alone from the living Church which produced it.

Elsewhere, I have given numerous quotes from the ECF’s concerning Mary as Queen…would you like to see them again? I think they provide ample evidence of what the early Church actually thought about this issue.

Strange that you now want to employ the ECF’s in support of non biblical doctrine, where before you claim that their “opinions” don’t represent official church teaching.

Fortunately, I have the Scripture to see where the early church stayed on the tracks and where it derailed. I dont have to wonder.

Thankfully, God Breathed Scripture has authority over any and all writings as the ECF’s would agree.

 

[mikeledes]

Strange that you now want to employ the ECF’s in support of non biblical doctrine, where before you claim that their “opinions” don’t represent official church teaching.

Fortunately, I have the Scripture to see where the early church stayed on the tracks and where it derailed. I dont have to wonder.

Thankfully, God Breathed Scripture has authority over any and all writings as the ECF’s would agree.

In my opinion, the Church Fathers - though they are not infallible- have greater weight in the interpretation of Scripture than Luther, John Calvin, Wesley, etc.

God Bless,
michael

 

[kaycee]

Did Jesus ever call Mary queen of heaven?

Did any Apostles ever call her queen of heaven?

Does the Bible record the resurrected Jesus ever apearing to Mary?

Is there any biblical record of anyone being told to pray to Mary?

Do any New testament writers record her assumption?

Are there any epistles written that mention Mary?

Is there an explanation regarding the utter lack of any mention of Mary and her role after the Virgin Birth?

How can the theological importance of Mary being the “queen of heaven” “Dispenser of all heavenly graces” not be mentioned once in the entire Bible?

 

[NotWorthy]

Strange that you now want to employ the ECF’s in support of non biblical doctrine, where before you claim that their “opinions” don’t represent official church teaching.

Strange that you wish to claim the ECF’s support non-biblical doctrine, when all of their arguments come right out of Scripture.

Can you show me where Ireneaus and Justin Martyr run afoul of Scripture when they call Mary “The New Eve”? What about Queen of Heaven. It’s there in Scripture, even if there is not a singular verse attached to it.

As a matter of fact, I think “Sola Scripturra” should be re-named “Sola Verse-ura”.

Fortunately, I have the Scripture to see where the early church stayed on the tracks and where it derailed. I dont have to wonder.

Thankfully, God Breathed Scripture has authority over any and all writings as the ECF’s would agree.

Amen!!! That’s why the ECF’s use God Breathed Scripture as a foundataion for all of their teachings.