Hail Mary after Prayer of the Faithful

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The pre Reformation Bidding Prayers found in the old English Uses are quite beautiful (and quite lengthy!). The Ave is used several times throughout the prayers. Here’s a snippet:

'Now let us offer a prayer to our Blessed Lady, Saint Mary, and to all the Saints in heaven for all people of this parish, wherever they may be, especially for all those that are sick, that God of his goodness send them release of pain and turn them to the way most to his pleasure and the welfare of their souls…For all these people, and for all here present, and for all that have need of prayer, let everyone now hail Our Lady with an Ave… ’
 
There is a common misconception that the Ave, Maria is merely some prayer of personal piety. It was used in the liturgy of the Roman Rite for centuries in the Office.

Bugnini cut it out in 1955.
 
Happens every time at my parish (in England) and I’ve never been to one where it doesn’t happen.
 
KMG said:
There is a common misconception that the Ave, Maria is merely some prayer of personal piety. It was used in the liturgy of the Roman Rite for centuries in the Office.
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Also in the Mass. It’s in the Roman Gradual, as an offertory antiphon on the 4th Sunday of Advent and feasts of the Blessed Virgin Mary. It’s been used for a very long time in the Mass, long enough to be in the manuscripts of Laon ans St. Gall.
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Bugnini cut it out in 1955.
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No he didn’t. It’s the responsory for Vespers of feasts of the BVM in both the post-Vatican II Roman and Monastic antiphonaires. And of course it is still in the Roman Gradual as an Offertory as noted above, and to be clear that is the 1974 post-Conciliar Gradual.

Also the prayer of the faithful is not an Abp. Bugnini innovation. It was called for in Sacrosanctum Concilium.
  1. Especially on Sundays and feasts of obligation there is to be restored, after the Gospel and the homily, “the common prayer” or “the prayer of the faithful.” By this prayer, in which the people are to take part, intercession will be made for holy Church, for the civil authorities, for those oppressed by various needs, for all mankind, and for the salvation of the entire world
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We’re also talking about the integral “Ave Maria” prayer, complete…not the biblical first part (which of course is quoted in various places in different liturgies).

The integral Ave, Maria was in the Roman Office for centuries until it was cut in 1955.
 
I have been at different parishes and at times a priest has prayed that way. No problem with asking our lady for help. In the eastern church the mother of God is never left out of the liturgy.
 
I can’t recall praying the Hail Mary during Mass at any of the parishes where I’ve attended Mass.

However, a couple of years ago the diocese sent a prayer to all parishes that has since been recited at the end of the Prayers of the Faithful at every Sunday Mass in our parish. That prayer is addressed to God “O Loving God, you sent your Spirit upon the early Church…”
 
Phemie said:
I can’t recall praying the Hail Mary during Mass at any of the parishes where I’ve attended Mass.
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Same here, at least in French Québec (nor at the few English Masses I’ve attended in Québec).
 
Our pastor leads the Divine Mercy prayer “Oh blood and water which gushed . . .” on behalf of recalcitrant sinners, and then the Hail Mary for people who are sick and / or dying. This happens after the Prayer of the Faithful and before the Offertory.

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Who comes up with the prayers of the faithful anyway? I really do not know. Is it the pastor? Some parish council? I’m really not sure.
 
My only complaint with these practices is that as a visitor to a parish, I’m almost always caught off guard. I don’t know when to expect what prayer that they regularly do. And that’s not the end of the world, it just makes it difficult to join in. One or two places I’ve been, the priest has said something on the order of, “and now let’s pray the prayer for the diocesan xyz cause, found on the slip in the front of your hymnals.” If that kind of lead in were there, I’m all for it.
 
Many parishes in Canada use the ones found in the Novalis missalette “Living with Christ”. I’ve also had occasion to use some supplied by the Diocese and the Military Ordinariate. Local intentions are sometimes substituted or added.

When it was my responsibility I tried very hard to follow the guidelines given
Proceed from the general to the specific. Thus, the series of intentions is always:
  1. for the needs of the universal church
  2. for the public authorities and the salvation of the world
  3. for those burdened by any kind of difficulty
  4. for the local community
 
And then we get the Prayers of the Faithful which are so lengthy that the Creed isn’t said, because “we don’t have enough time”.
 
Without naming names or giving details for identification, if memory serves correctly, I think concluding the Prayers of the Faithful with the Hail Mary was done when I visited the parish of the monsignor who had been a master of cermonies at the Vatican–which is to say, a “say the black, do the red” priest if ever there was one. The practice must be at least within the realm of scholarly argument that it is permissible.
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And then we get the Prayers of the Faithful which are so lengthy that the Creed isn’t said, because “we don’t have enough time”.
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?!?
 
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And then we get the Prayers of the Faithful which are so lengthy that the Creed isn’t said, because “we don’t have enough time”.
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How can that be, when the Creed comes before the Prayers of the Faithful? Or are the Prayers shown to the Celebrant before Mass and he makes a judgement based on how long they look like they are going to take?
 
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The priest at my parish follows the Prayer of the Faithful, with the Hail Mary.

It was the request of the Bishop as a result of the scandals rocking the Church

At the end of Mass, the Prayer of St Michael is sometimes said as well.

Jim
 
Thomasbradley312 said:
Say the black, do what’s in red.
We have the right to a liturgy without priests adding stuff on their own accord. That is also prohibited in the GIRM you know.
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Does saying the Hail Mary offend you in some way? I am pretty sure Jesus isn’t offended by a prayer about his mother.
 
Then they can revise the missal and add it to the rubrics if they want to say it
 
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