"Hail Mary" After the Prayers of the Faithful

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Our new pastor will lead the congregation in a Hail Mary after the Prayers of the Faithful.

I have read that this is allowed in the UK; is this allowed in the the US as well? If so, please pardon my ignorance. If it is not allowed, would you cite a reputable source, please?

Thank you!
 
Can you cite where it is allowed in the U.K.?

I’ve heard the “Ave Maria” sung during Mass, but that wasn’t quite your question, I know. “Allowance” covers a lot of territory, documented and undocumented, but I don’t know of any prohibition against it. It’s very unusual, I must say, as Mass is more about God. The Ave Maria is said as part of the Leonine prayers, but that’s after Mass. (Low EF)
 
Hi ProVobis,

I cannot cite my reference as I am not savvy enough with my phone and not close to a desktop. However, I did find it in a search of the CAF forums using the terms “Hail Mary” and “Mass.” It was a post, not an article.
 
In my UK parish the Hail Mary is always recited in the prayers of the faithful.
 
Miserissima said:
Our new pastor will lead the congregation in a Hail Mary after the Prayers of the Faithful.

I have read that this is allowed in the UK; is this allowed in the the US as well? If so, please pardon my ignorance. If it is not allowed, would you cite a reputable source, please?

Thank you!
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It’s okay, and yeah my priest has done that a couple of times

God bless :byzsoc:

David
 
ProVobis said:
I must say, as Mass is more about God.
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Then why not pray to the Mother of God? In the Divine Liturgy there is a Theotokion, or hymn to the Mother of God. The ordinary one is Axion Estin, or “It is truly meet”:

It is truly right to bless thee, O Theotokos,
ever blessed, and most pure, and the Mother of our God.
More honorable than the cherubim,
and beyond compare more glorious than the seraphim.
Without corruption thou gavest birth to God the Word.
True Theotokos, we magnify thee.

On feast days and festal seasons, it is replaced by another hymn.
 
I love Marian hymns when they dovetail with the readings, feast, or solemnity (and any other times, too)!

It’s just that I was unaware that the Hail Mary was a…liturgical prayer. I thought that it was strictly in the realm of devotion outside of the Mass.

I’d like to be reassured that even though our intentions are good, we are being true to the Liturgy. 😊
 
Miserissima said:
I love Marian hymns when they dovetail with the readings, feast, or solemnity (and any other times, too)!

It’s just that I was unaware that the Hail Mary was a…liturgical prayer. I thought that it was strictly in the realm of devotion outside of the Mass.

I’d like to be reassured that even though our intentions are good, we are being true to the Liturgy. 😊
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The reason is that there is a lack of a specific liturgical prayer to Mary in the Roman Rite. Perhaps they should consider making one and putting it in.
 
Mpre searching yielded a clearer answer:
One could, for example, add a Hail Mary as an extended petition for the needs of the parish. That would be a place where a priest could add a Hail Mary.
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We regularly say the Hail Mary at Mass as a part of the prayers of the faithful, especially for prayers to end abortion. The Hail Mary is not a liturgical prayer, and shouldn’t be said in the Mass except as part of the prayers of the faithful. In that context it can be considered part of the prayers that are written at each parish every week, not part of the liturgy proper.
 
Mrs_Sally said:
We regularly say the Hail Mary at Mass as a part of the prayers of the faithful, especially for prayers to end abortion. The Hail Mary is not a liturgical prayer, and shouldn’t be said in the Mass except as part of the prayers of the faithful. In that context it can be considered part of the prayers that are written at each parish every week, not part of the liturgy proper.
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The Prayers of the Faithful is part of the Mass. And it should be a Litany, where there are a list of prayers with a common response. Technically its not a free-form pray whatever you want portion of Mass. Although sometimes it is treated that way.
 
ConstantineTG said:
The Prayers of the Faithful is part of the Mass. And it should be a Litany, where there are a list of prayers with a common response. Technically its not a free-form pray whatever you want portion of Mass. Although sometimes it is treated that way.
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I understand that the prayers of the faithful is part of the Mass. However, it is something unique that is written at each parish every week. And if the Hail Mary is written into a petition for life, vocations, etc, it can be part of the litany. That is how we do it in our parish.

What I was attempting to say in my previous post is that the Hail Mary should NOT be simply added into the Mass in some other section as if it were a liturgical prayer (ie, say the creed then the Hail Mary).
 
I asked my parish priest about this when I did RCIA. His reply was that it had been ‘officially’ dropped but that it is so popular amongst priests and parishioners alike that many continued to do so.
Pretty much all the churches I’ve been to mass at here in the UK still pray the Hail Mary during bidding prayers.
 
It is a legitimate practice of the English Catholic church. The late John Carmel Cardinal Heenan, Archbishop of Westminster, requested, and was granted, a specific indult from Rome for the inclusion of the Hail Mary in honour of the ancient pious tradition that England was the ‘Dowry of Mary’.

I believe the late cardinal archbishop also obtained an indult for the continued use of the Tridentine mass in England.

If you need ‘chapter and verse’ you can probably obtain it from the Archbishop of Westminster’s office in London or from Rome.
 
rowlands said:
It is a legitimate practice of the English Catholic church. The late John Carmel Cardinal Heenan, Archbishop of Westminster, requested, and was granted, a specific indult from Rome for the inclusion of the Hail Mary in honour of the ancient pious tradition that England was the ‘Dowry of Mary’.

I believe the late cardinal archbishop also obtained an indult for the continued use of the Tridentine mass in England.

If you need ‘chapter and verse’ you can probably obtain it from the Archbishop of Westminster’s office in London or from Rome.
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I agree with you that I believe there is an indult permitting this in England and Wales. I was not aware of how or when it was granted. I would say that if you are going to try and contact the Catholic Church at national level in England & Wales you can count yourself extremely lucky if you get a response.
 
ConstantineTG said:
The reason is that there is a lack of a specific liturgical prayer to Mary in the Roman Rite. Perhaps they should consider making one and putting it in.
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I’ve seen you reference the Theotokion before, specifically in reference to lack of a prayer specifically for Mary in the liturgy of the Roman Rite. Am I right that I detect some sadness or disappointment in that fact?

It might not be right to understand lack of specific prayer to Mary in the Roman rite as a lack of devotion to or honor for Mary. I’m not sure that’s what you meant. And I’m not even sure that there arn’t specific prayers to Mary offered in the Roman Rite.

I can say that the Roman Rite allows an optional memorial to BVM on Saturdays when there is no other feast or memorial. The priest wears white vestmens in honor of Our Lady. The hymns are typically Marian. Our parish has a chalice studded with blue diamonds which we use only on Saturdays in honor of BVM - it is spectacular.

My point is that just because there are no official prayers to Mary in any given liturgy, doesn’t mean that She isn’t there. We sing Salve Regina for the recessional at every weekday Mass since our current Pastor has been in place. Strong marian devotion is one of the reasons why I chose to live in this particular parish. Our priests pray the rosary in front of the Blessed Sacrament - every day between 7:00 AM and 9:00 AM Mass, you always know where Father is - on his knees in front of the monstrance with a rosary in his hand.

-Tim-
 
Constantine:
Our Lady certainly is invoked in the Roman liturgy - for one, she is invoked during the confiteor and commemorated in all authorized EPs (including, of course, the Roman Canon). During the many Marian feasts, memorials, and optional memorials throughout the liturgical year, she is invoked many times, whether directly or indirectly, in both the mass and in the divine office. Also - don’t forget that compline (night prayer), which is part of the liturgy of the Roman Rite, also ends with an antiphon in honor of the Mother of God and that the Canticle of Mary (Magnificat) is sung every night at vespers in her honor.
 
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