Hail Mary

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happygal said:
**Hi Water

Honoring pple comes in alots of way. However it is the heart that count the most and not action. There are those who looks holy outside but ugly inside, most importantly i respect Mary for she is Jesus’s mother.

Non CC does have a little misunderstanding, is becoz Catholic spend 10% intercede to Mary and the rest to God. But Christian rather spend 100% praying to God solely. So i understand where Mary stands in term of the Catholic :)** .
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It all goes to God, like that present you send in the post, someother individual gives it to them, but it’s for them and no-one else, all for God.

" Here Mary pass this along to God, thank you "
 
Eireann said:
It all goes to God, like that present you send in the post, someother individual gives it to them, but it’s for them and no-one else, all for God.

" Here Mary pass this along to God, thank you "
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👍 Excellent way of wording exactly what we do and what the Saints do.
 
Abira said:
HI Water 🙂

Yeah, that was a really really hard step for me. I almost felt like I’d be doing something equivilant to…I don’t know…praying to an idol or something. I use quite an emotive example as I felt kinda strongly about it.

The whole Hail Mary Rosary came about when I lost my faith and didn’t really have anything to say when I prayed, so I stopped praying. I find that by praying the Rosary I can still pray even though I sometimes have nothing to say. It’s a secret thing though lol, I’d never let my parents know I prayed it for example! 🙂

I think it could really help a few people but they’re put off it by the petition to Mary… I would never have prayed it unless I’d searched out some kind of Anglican ammendment.

Take care, S
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hi Abira,

When we pray the rosary, not only we pray for ourselves but for all people in the world “Pray for us, sinners”.

At this point, I would suggest that you keep on praying and you have no need to tell anybody. Let your faith grow in the prayer and when you know it is time, you can bravely say it to your parents. It is important to pray for your parents to see what you believe. Sometimes, it takes few months, 1 year, or even 10 years. The Holy Spirit will guide you and you will know when the time comes.

About repetition, I am very aware of it and I know there are many people afraid of it. They are afraid it is in vain and it against God. However, any prayer can be in vain if you don’t know what you are praying or your mind is somewhere else when you pray.

Repetition is not against God as we do to glorify and to pray. Look at

Psalm 136, the sentence “God’s love endures forever” repeated 26 times.

Isaiah 6:3 “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord of Hosts!” they (the Seraphim) cried one to another.
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Revelation 4:8:** The four living creatures, each of them with six wings, were covered with eyes inside and out. Day and night they do not stop exclaiming:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come”.

If repetition prayers are allowed in Heaven, you can be assured that the Rosary prayer is allowed here on Earth. 🙂

This is a good link about praying with the rosary:
davidmacd.com/catholic/mary_rosary.htm
 
hi water,

I’ve never had a problem with ‘repetitious prayer’ as long as it is not in vain. I don’t think the rosary is repetitious in the sense that you have to focus on different things and you’re not just saying the words.

S
 
Abira said:
hi water,

I’ve never had a problem with ‘repetitious prayer’ as long as it is not in vain. I don’t think the rosary is repetitious in the sense that you have to focus on different things and you’re not just saying the words.

S
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I knew you didn’t have the problem 🙂 I hope many other people will soon realize what a beautiful and powerful prayer the Rosary is.
 
Just wanted to share this:

His Holiness Pope Pius IX composed this prayer to Our Lady of Sorrows:
Hail Mary, full of sorrows, the Crucified is with thee: thou art pitiable amongst women, and pitiable is the Fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of the Crucified, implore for us , crucifiers of thy Son, tears of contrition, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
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Our Lady of Sorrows, pray for us!
 
water said:
I knew you didn’t have the problem 🙂 I hope many other people will soon realize what a beautiful and powerful prayer the Rosary is.
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I’d love to know why Anglican…kinda pre-rosary prayer beads are no longer used generally.(just a chain of beads, almost like eastern religious prayer beads and some a muslim woman brought in to show us too)

I’ve seen prayer beads and wonder whether people stopped using them so as not to associate with the Catholic Rosary and references to Mary. I’m probably wrong but it’s strange how such an old tradition isn’t widely known about.

Take care. S

ps. Water, you reply so fast I think you type with both your hands and feet lol.
 
Abira said:
I’d love to know why Anglican…kinda pre-rosary prayer beads are no longer used generally.(just a chain of beads, almost like eastern religious prayer beads and some a muslim woman brought in to show us too)

I’ve seen prayer beads and wonder whether people stopped using them so as not to associate with the Catholic Rosary and references to Mary. I’m probably wrong but it’s strange how such an old tradition isn’t widely known about.

Take care. S

ps. Water, you reply so fast I think you type with both your hands and feet lol.
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Interesting, I didn’t know about it. I did a quick search with my feet 😃 and found this:
saintgabriels.org/rosary.html
 


I was thinking of prayer beads from even earlier than the modern ‘Catholic’ Rosary. But to go back to the OP, I have never heard another Anglican praying the Rosary… well except one woman but she took it up after spending time ith some nuns. 🙂
 
Jesus is our Mediator and Advocate.

Is He not enough? I blush and cringe even to dare and presume to pose that question; the Son of God pleading for me…

What need anything or anyone else?

For me, enough and more than enough; my All… Jesus!

QUOTE=lak611;1960892]👍 Excellent way of wording exactly what we do and what the Saints do.
 
hermitcrab said:
Jesus is our Mediator and Advocate.

Is He not enough? I blush and cringe even to dare and presume to pose that question; the Son of God pleading for me…

What need anything or anyone else?

For me, enough and more than enough; my All… Jesus!
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that’s how I felt, and I could never understand why anyone would take ‘the long route round’ instead of just going direct.

S
 
hermitcrab said:
Jesus is our Mediator and Advocate.

Is He not enough? I blush and cringe even to dare and presume to pose that question; the Son of God pleading for me…

What need anything or anyone else?

For me, enough and more than enough; my All… Jesus!
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Well Mary interceded at Cana, and Jesus reluctantly performed His first miracle, the Apostles didn’t know He could do this, Mary did.

Would it be so ridiculous to believe that if Mary is in Heaven that she still intercedes on our behalf ?

So in answer to you question, yes Jesus is enough, but then again Mary already knew this before anybody else did.
 
Eireann said:
Would it be so ridiculous to believe that if Mary is in Heaven that she still intercedes on our behalf ?

So in answer to you question, yes Jesus is enough.
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I think the posters point is that:

Why go through anyone else to get to God when you can go straight to God? This is something protestants have a hard time with, myself included.

I felt at one time that it was a separation of man from God, and I extended this to the idea of confession aswell…I would think: Why do they speak to a priest when they can speak directly to God? They are creating barriers where there aren’t any…I would think that Jesus came to restore our relationship and only through Him can we know God… so in prayer…only through Jesus can I know God… Why speak through Mary? Should I pray throug the earthly or divine? etc

This is something I’m learning about at the moment but the above is where I started from a few weeks ago.

S
 
Simply, Jesus is enough… I need no more than His mediation and intercession.
Eireann said:
Well Mary interceded at Cana, and Jesus reluctantly performed His first miracle, the Apostles didn’t know He could do this, Mary did.

Would it be so ridiculous to believe that if Mary is in Heaven that she still intercedes on our behalf ?

So in answer to you question, yes Jesus is enough, but then again Mary already knew this before anybody else did.
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Abira said:
that’s how I felt, and I could never understand why anyone would take ‘the long route round’ instead of just going direct.

S
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Direct ? don’t seem like the people in need below went direct.

** Rom 15:30, “…help me by your prayers to GOD for me.”
Col 1:9, “This is why we too have been praying for you unceasingly.”
1Thes 3:10, “Night and day we pray more and more…”
2Thes 1:11, “To this end we pray always for you.”
2Thes 3:1, “In conclusion brethren, pray for us…”
Jam 5:16, “…and pray for one another that you may be saved.”
**Rev 8:3-4 "…that he may offer it with the prayers of all the saints **
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hermitcrab said:
Thank you; I was beginning to wonder…

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Hiya Hermitcrab lol 🙂

a member on here recommended this book to me a while back and I’m reading it now…it’s basically a catholic and a protestant sitting down together and arguing their way through the majoy dividing issues surrounding Mary.

Even though I still find it seriously confusing the book’s helped me see other points of view loads and maybe think about changing some of my own ideas slightly…not all though 🙂 If you have a spare few nights maybe

Mary: A Catholic-Evangelical debate.

amazon.com/Mary-Catholic-Evangelical-Debate-Dwight-Longenecker/dp/158743072X/ref=sr_1_1/102-3854562-9831351?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1173028087&sr=8-1

S
 
Eireann said:
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Direct ? don’t seem like the people in need below went direct.
Rev 8:3-4 "…that he may offer it with the prayers of all the saints**
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Hi Eireann

I seem to be ok with all forms of prayer by the living…my stumbling block is when it comes to praying to or through the living dead.

If I am praying then it would take the same ammount of time to just pray directly…

secondly this is just something I have nver ever seen done or heard done by anyone in 23 years…so it is so alien to me that I found it hard to take on board. This is really at the core of my problems at the moment. I seem to associate any dead person, and praying to anyone ‘not of this world’ as some kind of blespheme…although I have stated elsewhere aswell that this is something that is obvioulsy a personal hangup rather than something I can support Biblically or morally.

I think a fair few protestants that I know would also feel the same way simply because the idea of praying to the saints is just not practiced…unless I missed church that day lol. It’s certainly not something I’ve been brought up around…hence my reaction 🙂

Take care, S
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Abira said:
I think the posters point is that:

Why go through anyone else to get to God when you can go straight to God? This is something protestants have a hard time with, myself included.

I felt at one time that it was a separation of man from God, and I extended this to the idea of confession aswell…I would think: Why do they speak to a priest when they can speak directly to God? They are creating barriers where there aren’t any…I would think that Jesus came to restore our relationship and only through Him can we know God… so in prayer…only through Jesus can I know God… Why speak through Mary? Should I pray throug the earthly or divine? etc

This is something I’m learning about at the moment but the above is where I started from a few weeks ago.

S
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Anyway I don’t have much more to say at the moment, but you can check out this site I’m linking from if you like.

John 20:21-23, “He therefore said to them again, ‘Peace be to you! As the Father has sent Me, I also send you’. When He had said this, He breathed upon them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit;** whose sins you shall forgive**, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained’.”

I don’t see above "who’s sins God forgives they shall be forgiven, I see you, that is (the Apostles)

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