Half communion? Whatsup?

[RBushlow]

MartyL:

when I go to a RC mass, do the priests only give out those little waffers? What happened to the blood?

Ware not all Roman. Some of us are of Byzantine, Maronite, Meklite, and other rites. Also, the RC epithet is not only inacurate, but some of us find it insulting. I’m sure that you mean no offense by it. Please use the correct term “The Catholic Church.”

Where do you go where they don’t give the cup? I have not seen that at any Catholic Church I’ve attended since becoming Catholic.

Peace be with you.

 

[banjo]

SPOKENWORD:

Vs.26 says every time,then you eat this bread and drink this cup,you proclaim the death of the Lord until He come. EAT AND DRINK. Make any sense? Its not either or.? God Bless.

Verse 28 also says eat of the bread and drink of the cup. Do we count how many ‘ands’ and ‘ors’ and decide which one to accept? You can find the same thing in Jn 6. V53 eats the flesh and drinks his blood compared with V58 he who eats this bread will live forever. These too are Christ’s words. Also,at the last supper the separate consecration of his body and blood represented the separation of his body and blood on the cross. He is now, however, risen…body and blood. To quote Frs. Rumble and Carty, Radio Replies, “Christ being risen dies no more. It is not possible now to separate Christ’s body and blood in actual fact. Wherever Christ is, there He is whole and entire.” #878 Vol.1.
May the peace of Christ be with you.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

banjo:

Verse 28 also says eat of the bread and drink of the cup. Do we count how many ‘ands’ and ‘ors’ and decide which one to accept? You can find the same thing in Jn 6. V53 eats the flesh and drinks his blood compared with V58 he who eats this bread will live forever. These too are Christ’s words. Also,at the last supper the separate consecration of his body and blood represented the separation of his body and blood on the cross. He is now, however, risen…body and blood. To quote Frs. Rumble and Carty, Radio Replies, “Christ being risen dies no more. It is not possible now to separate Christ’s body and blood in actual fact. Wherever Christ is, there He is whole and entire.” #878 Vol.1.
May the peace of Christ be with you.

Hi Banjo, I put up the white flag. Peace of Christ be with you also and May He bless you also.

 

[Katholikos]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Jay, If you have a problem with what I said you will have to take it up with Jesus. Those are not my words But HIS. Please dont tell me I am in error in quoting Jesus Words. God Bless

It’s your “infallible, inerrant, interpretation” of the words I have a problem with, and your assertion that the Church founded by Christ is in error.

Further, you err in believing that the NT is an instruction book in Christianity and seem to think every word God revealed about Himself and man’s salvation is written in Holy Scripture. It isn’t. The Christian Scriptures themselves are pure oral tradition that later got written down. Even the letters are written confirmation of what the Apostles had already taught orally. They do not contain everything the Apostles taught, but were written to address specific problems that arose in certain communities within the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church during its infancy. The OT is pure oral tradition that later got written down – more than 1,000 yearss later. The NT was written*** by*** the Church, to the Church. The Church existed for nearly 400 years before there was a NT or a Bible as we know them.

The Church does not err in giving Holy Communion to her members. You and others err in your understanding and in your lack of knowledge. A Bible in the hands of a Protestant is stolen property and can be a dangerous thing. The NT belongs to the Church. She is its only infallible interpreter.

The Catholic Church set the rules for admitting writings into the canon of the NT. Any writing that did not conform to her teachings, she rejected. *** If a writing didn’t agree with the Church, it wouldn’t be in the New Testament.***

So any interpretation that does not conform to the teaching of the Catholic Church is a misinterpretation.

It’s your interpretation that is faulty. The Eucharist is properly viewed in its entire theological and historical context. Anyone can read the words that Jesus spoke. The consecration is incomplete without both species, but that doesn’t mean the faithful have to receive both. Where does it say that? It doesn’t! You’re reading that into the Scriptures. Whether we receive one species or the other, or both, we receive the same Christ, whole and entire, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity.

But because you are not within the sanctuary [the Church], you "have to go without the Bread of God" ~ Letter to the Ephesians. “And so, those who question the gift of God perish in their contentiousness”~ Letter to the Smyrnaeans ~ Ignatius of Antioch, 107 A.D. I remind you that St. John, Ignatius’ teacher, died c.100 A.D.

JMJ Jay

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Katholikos:

It’s your “infallible, inerrant, interpretation” of the words I have a problem with, and your assertion that the Church founded by Christ is in error.

Further, you err in believing that the NT is an instruction book in Christianity and seem to think every word God revealed about Himself and man’s salvation is written in Holy Scripture. It isn’t. The Christian Scriptures themselves are pure oral tradition that later got written down. Even the letters are written confirmation of what the Apostles had already taught orally. They do not contain everything the Apostles taught, but were written to address specific problems that arose in certain communities within the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church during its infancy. The OT is pure oral tradition that later got written down – more than 1,000 yearss later. The NT was written*** by*** the Church, to the Church. The Church existed for nearly 400 years before there was a NT or a Bible as we know them.

The Church does not err in giving Holy Communion to her members. You and others err in your understanding and in your lack of knowledge. A Bible in the hands of a Protestant is stolen property and can be a dangerous thing. The NT belongs to the Church. She is its only infallible interpreter.

The Catholic Church set the rules for admitting writings into the canon of the NT. Any writing that did not conform to her teachings, she rejected. *** If a writing didn’t agree with the Church, it wouldn’t be in the New Testament.***

So any interpretation that does not conform to the teaching of the Catholic Church is a misinterpretation.

It’s your interpretation that is faulty. The Eucharist is properly viewed in its entire theological and historical context. Anyone can read the words that Jesus spoke. The consecration is incomplete without both species, but that doesn’t mean the faithful have to receive both. Where does it say that? It doesn’t! You’re reading that into the Scriptures. Whether we receive one species or the other, or both, we receive the same Christ, whole and entire, Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity.

But because you are not within the sanctuary [the Church], you "have to go without the Bread of God" ~ Letter to the Ephesians. “And so, those who question the gift of God perish in their contentiousness”~ Letter to the Smyrnaeans ~ Ignatius of Antioch, 107 A.D. I remind you that St. John, Ignatius’ teacher, died c.100 A.D.

JMJ Jay

Jay, Did you miss the white flag? Go ahead continue in your rightiousness. Please dont call me a liar. I paid 49.95 for my bible. Its on my credit card if you want a copy of the invoice. God Bless you anyways.

 

[banjo]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi Banjo, I put up the white flag. Peace of Christ be with you also and May He bless you also.

Hi Spokenword, I really wasn’t looking for a white flag, we are, I hope, not at war…and I pray I wasn’t looking to argue. This is not supposed to be personal, our egos shouldn’t be involved, yours is clearly not, more credit to you. My intention is to help. As you can see by the number of posts I’ve made in the last five months I enter these discussions infrequently. Perhaps it was the subject of this thread which prompted me to reply to MarkL.
May the peace of Christ be with you.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

banjo:

Hi Spokenword, I really wasn’t looking for a white flag, we are, I hope, not at war…and I pray I wasn’t looking to argue. This is not supposed to be personal, our egos shouldn’t be involved, yours is clearly not, more credit to you. My intention is to help. As you can see by the number of posts I’ve made in the last five months I enter these discussions infrequently. Perhaps it was the subject of this thread which prompted me to reply to MarkL.
May the peace of Christ be with you.

Hi Banjo. No we are not at war. I felt its not worth arguing on whos right or who is wrong,or maybe we are both right?.Thats all. God Bless.

 

[BlueMit11]

Jesus commands us to eat his body and blood. It has been realized by the Church that whenever we recieve one, we recieve the other. For, if you are standing across the room from me, I cannot say, “Come here but leave your blood.” The body and blood in a living creature go together unless the body is punctured and the blood let out. That does not happen at the Sacrifice of the Mass, therefore, they go together. So, when you recieve Jesus’ body, you do recieve his blood, and vice versa. You all recieve his soul and dvinity, which are inseperable as well.

 

[Katholikos]

SPOKENWORD:

Jay, Did you miss the white flag? Go ahead continue in your rightiousness. Please dont call me a liar. I paid 49.95 for my bible. Its on my credit card if you want a copy of the invoice. God Bless you anyways.

Please post my words where I called you a liar. I don’t say you are lying – I said you are misinterpreting. There’s a huge difference. I’m sure you are sincere in your interpretation – but sincerely wrong.

I may have used your quote, but I’m not writing exclusively to you. I write for the lurkers and others who may have been influenced by your comments or who may hold opinions similar to yours.

I’m sorry you are taking this personally.

Peace be with you.

JMJ Jay

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Katholikos:

Please post my words where I called you a liar. I don’t say you are lying – I said you are misinterpreting. There’s a huge difference. I’m sure you are sincere in your interpretation – but sincerely wrong.

I may have used your quote, but I’m not writing exclusively to you. I write for the lurkers and others who may have been influenced by your comments or who may hold opinions similar to yours.

I’m sorry you are taking this personally.

Peace be with you.

JMJ Jay

Jay,Please accept my sincere appoligy. You did not call me a liar. Its been one of those days in this forum where ive been in a spiritual battle. BUT you did call me a THIEF.QUOTE; A bible in the hands of a protestant is stolen property and can be a dangerious thing. So I called you a liar and you called me a thief. I would call it a wash.We are just going to have to try harder and be Christlike. God Bless.

 

[Church_Militant]

SPOKENWORD:

Hi drforj, Im only going by what Jesus said ,not what man has said. God Bless

Cheap shot …& a dodge.
truth is you have no answer to the entire Bread of Life passage…Jesus (Yes JESUS!) repeated his statements 3 times which stresses his seriousness. The JEWS were offended because they KNEW He was speaking literally…His own disciples deserted Him saying it was a hard saying & they couldn’t bear it., He didn’t explain it (see Mark 4:34) and even made it even more clear that he was literally serious about eating his flesh & drinking his blood because he looked at his hand-picked 12 apostles and simply asked if they wanted to go too. The only way I could ever resolve the conflict in my heart that this passage raised when I was a Protestant…was to read around it…(i.e… not read it at all.)
So…there it is…answer it if you can, but as you just said…take it up w/ Jesus…HE said it.

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Church Militant:

Cheap shot …& a dodge.
truth is you have no answer to the entire Bread of Life passage…Jesus (Yes JESUS!) repeated his statements 3 times which stresses his seriousness. The JEWS were offended because they KNEW He was speaking literally…His own disciples deserted Him saying it was a hard saying & they couldn’t bear it., He didn’t explain it (see Mark 4:34) and even made it even more clear that he was literally serious about eating his flesh & drinking his blood because he looked at his hand-picked 12 apostles and simply asked if they wanted to go too. The only way I could ever resolve the conflict in my heart that this passage raised when I was a Protestant…was to read around it…(i.e… not read it at all.)
So…there it is…answer it if you can, but as you just said…take it up w/ Jesus…HE said it.

Cm, You are reading into something I never made a comment on. My point was to only repeat what Jesus said ,and that was to eat and drink. It was not a cheap shot and a dodge like you claim. God Bless

 

[Katholikos]

SPOKENWORD:

Jay,Please accept my sincere appoligy. You did not call me a liar. Its been one of those days in this forum where ive been in a spiritual battle. BUT you did call me a THIEF.QUOTE; A bible in the hands of a protestant is stolen property and can be a dangerious thing. So I called you a liar and you called me a thief. I would call it a wash.We are just going to have to try harder and be Christlike. God Bless.

Spokenword, thanks for the apology.

But I didn’t call you a liar. You quoted me correctly. “A Bible in the hands of a Protestant is stolen property . . .” But you didn’t steal it. Your ancestors in the Protestant faith did. You received stolen, altered property when you became a Protestant – an incomplete Bible. A statement that “the Bible is stolen property in the hands of a Protestant” doesn’t say who stole it. Please, try not to construe the things that are written on this forum personally.

I got that phrase from a Singapore guy who was attending Oral Roberts (Protestant) University in Tulsa at the time of his conversion to the Catholic Church. Both he and one of his professors came into the Church. He became a priest. Here’s his website; it is well worth reading. homepage.mac.com/edwardyew/Conversion/Personal40.html

Thank you again, and peace be with you, Jay

 

[Katholikos]

SPOKENWORD:

Cm, You are reading into something I never made a comment on. My point was to only repeat what Jesus said ,and that was to eat and drink. It was not a cheap shot and a dodge like you claim. God Bless

The true meaning of the Bread of Life discourse in St. John’s Gospel, and of St. Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 10 and 11, can be verified by the beliefs of the first Christians.

Have you ever read early Christian history to find out what the first Christians believed, who learned their religion not by trying to interpret words on a page 21 centuries after the fact, but from hearing the Apostles’ own words from the Apostles’ own lips? (Hint: The early Christians weren’t Protestant.)

Peace be with you, Jay

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Katholikos:

The true meaning of the Bread of Life discourse in St. John’s Gospel, and of St. Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 10 and 11, can be verified by the beliefs of the first Christians.

Have you ever read early Christian history to find out what the first Christians believed, who learned their religion not by trying to interpret words on a page 21 centuries after the fact, but from hearing the Apostles’ own words from the Apostles’ own lips? (Hint: The early Christians weren’t Protestant.)

Peace be with you, Jay

Yes ,the early christians were catholic. God Bless.