Half-masturbation...mortal sin?

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how if a person knowing masturbation is a mortal sin and

he/she starts doing the masturbation process by stimulating his/her genital

then after 40% or 50% of the masturbation progress he/she suddenly feel really sorry and guilty that he/she immediately stops the process and promise won’t do that again (ejaculation has not occured)

is he/she still commiting mortal sin?
 
I’m not sure but if it’s done out of habit or laxity with a lack of reflection on what you’re doing, it could be partial consent which means it’s not mortal. Your mental state like if you were half-asleep in bed or drunk may also be factors.

Mortal sins require full consent and full knowledge.

I’d like to say it seemed to be partial consent from your description but I don’t know what the mindset was when it was done.

I had a book, The Faith Explained by Leo Trese(?) which explains it but I can’t find it anymore.
 
if the person do that in the morning, when he/she just wakes up (but his/her brain is already worked as in normal condition)?

Is the difference (in hormonal mechanism, etc) in morning also makes it partial consent?

anyway, until what stage an act is considered to be masturbation? (until ejaculation, or…?)
 
Yes, it’s grave matter. And if consented to it is mortally sinful.
All deliberate impure pleasure is grave matter. So even impure thoughts consented to are mortally sinful. Sex and it’s pleasure is only allowed in marriage. Sexual thoughts about one’s spouse are not impure, but they could lead to sinful acts.

Masturbation is tactile stimulation of the genital organs in order to derive pleasure.
 
hey there,

yes, its a bummer all right. This is from the Cataclysm of the Catholic Church:

"Offenses against chastity

2351: Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes".​

you cant have it when you are alone.

It goes on and on but that is the clincher. it doesn’t matter if you cum or not. :tsktsk: sexual pleasure outside of Holy Matrimony is sinful. and even then my friend, there are conditions.

even between man and wife, there are strict guide lines on where the man can experience an organism. you can Google search " ccc 235 " for verification and more precise information if you browse it, but there it is.

read em and weep
 
hey there,

yes, its a bummer all right. This is from the Cataclysm of the Catholic Church:

"Offenses against chastity

2351: Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes".​

you cant have it when you are alone.

It goes on and on but that is the clincher. it doesn’t matter if you cum or not. :tsktsk: sexual pleasure outside of Holy Matrimony is sinful. and even then my friend, there are conditions.

even between man and wife, there are strict guide lines on where the man can experience an organism. you can Google search " ccc 235 " for verification and more precise information if you browse it, but there it is.

read em and weep
It’s only a bummer if the church is wrong and you’ve wasted a lifetime depriving yourself of all the pleasure you could have had!

If the church is correct about this sex stuff (and I must admit that the teachings do harmonize well with scripture) then we should be extremely greatful for these restrictions that are preventing us from burning in Hell for eternity with no relief and no possible escape.

As far as I am concerned, the stakes are far too high for me or anyone else to reject this (or any other) teaching of the church.

:cool: .
 
The Church is very counter-cultural, that’s why she is hated and has enemies who like “Herod and Herodias” won’t give up their sinful behavior.
 
I’m not sure…I heard a priest on ewtn say that if you start then you stop during the process there is greater merit to you…in any case you probably should ask a priest. Lots of people have a problem with masterbation-so it isn’t uncommon. From my perspective I would think it is easier for a man to discuss something like this with a priest than a woman…because even though he is a priest he is still a man. In any case you should still bring it up in confession.
 
Masturbation is a natural instinct we inherited from our ape-like ancestor, suppress it and your going to fry your brain.
 
If you decide to rob a bank, you have already committed a mortal sin, before you even leave your house to go to the bank. If during the bank robbery you repent, that repentance is good, but you already committed a mortal sin by knowingly choosing to do what is gravely immoral.

That old George Carlin comedy routine about sin is basically true:

“If you woke up in the morning and said I’m going down to 42nd street and commit a mortal sin, save your car fare: you did it, man! It was a sin for you to want to feel up Ellen. It was a sin for you to plan to feel up Ellen. It was a sin to figure out a place to feel up Ellen. It was a sin to take Ellen to the place to feel her up. It was a sin to try to feel her up. And it was a sin to feel her up. There were six sins in one feel, man!”
 
It’s a sin to listen to George Carlin and enjoy it. Get to confession, Man!
 
how if a person knowing masturbation is a mortal sin and

he/she starts doing the masturbation process by stimulating his/her genital

then after 40% or 50% of the masturbation progress he/she suddenly feel really sorry and guilty that he/she immediately stops the process and promise won’t do that again (ejaculation has not occured)

is he/she still commiting mortal sin?
You’re not even supposed to think of things that are arousing. If you do that with full knowledge and full intent, its a mortal sin.
 
how if a person knowing masturbation is a mortal sin and

he/she starts doing the masturbation process by stimulating his/her genital

then after 40% or 50% of the masturbation progress he/she suddenly feel really sorry and guilty that he/she immediately stops the process and promise won’t do that again (ejaculation has not occured)

is he/she still commiting mortal sin?
and this process was started why?cause the person doing it got lazy(failed to recognized the habit)i understand exactly where you are coming from as described in your later posting.if it were my opinion no it wasn’t mortal cause FULL consent wasn’t necessarily given.
HOWEVER this instance should be brought up in one’s next confession.
 
You’re not even supposed to think of things that are arousing. If you do that with full knowledge and full intent, its a mortal sin.
If you have any support for this idea l, I would be interested in seeing it because I believe that your statement is incorrect.
 
Good question. People who are scrupulous probably think of questions like this too. They try to break sin down into technicalities and therein, create more problems then perhaps they originally had.

There have been times where I was tempted to masturbate and did not do it, or started to do it but stopped, or wasn’t doing it manually and wondered whether that counts, or it was all mental and not physical, but an erection and ejaculation was purposely achieved. I’d also question how accountable I am in that I have a fetish or two and flashes or images cannot necessarily be controlled as they come in uninvited and unannounced.

In each case, I was able to devise a reason, a cop out, or a cheat that, in my mind, would not justify the action, but would at least explain it away and allow me to not feel so sorry for myself about it. And these created more problems and sin was able to prevail because of it.

Look at it this way: if you have to ask questions, even specific questions, about what’s ok and what’s not and what if this happened before that and this and that but not this happened, and you create scenarios and such just to answer a simple question about catholic morality which is very clear, then you’ve been caught in the web of the enemy. While you are able to struggle with it morally (a good thing) the web latches to you and keeps you from escaping fully. The devil is that spider that is eventually going to make his way down there and eat you. He takes his time, just like the spider, because he realizes you’re trapped and there’s no hurry for him. He’s got a life-time to tempt you and if he sees you’re making excuses for yourself and trying to lie to yourself about grave matter in order to feel like you did nothing wrong, then all the more reason for him to take his time. In fact, you’re doing his job for him in that case.

I’d be a hypocrite if I said I haven’t been in that situation before, or that I am not tempted daily either to masturbate or to entertain an impure thought. In my case, it cannot be avoided, due to a fetish I have, but I do what I can to avoid acting on it or entertaining the thoughts so long as they are not sexual in nature. We all go through this and it’s part of the struggle of being a good Christian. The devil knows your weak points, so he’s going to attack those.

To answer your question from my opinion, and not that of the catholic church’s stand, I would say it was a mortal sin. Ejaculation or not, you masturbated. Masturbation is not an act that is defined by it’s completion only, just as sexual intercourse is not. You don’t have to ‘finish’ in order for it to be a problem. If you cheat on your wife, but it’s only an emotional affair, it’s still cheating on your wife.

I do sympathize with you, though, I really do, as I’ve been there and done that. Know that God loves you, and while in the example you gave, you will have committed a mortal sin that requires confession, there is some merit in that you at least resisted and stopped. That voice that pleaded for you to stop was either the Holy Spirit or your guardian angel. So, to me, this is a sign that God is wanting to help you fight this, but you have to be open to accepting that help and do what is required.
 
If you have any support for this idea l, I would be interested in seeing it because I believe that your statement is incorrect.
CCC 2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
 
CCC 2351 Lust is disordered desire for or inordinate enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.
i dont think that is in line with what was written:

“You’re not even supposed to think of things that are arousing. If you do that with full knowledge and full intent, its a mortal sin.”
 
i dont think that is in line with what was written:

“You’re not even supposed to think of things that are arousing. If you do that with full knowledge and full intent, its a mortal sin.”
please show how it is not inline with it?
 
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