Hallaj

  • Thread starter Thread starter nico1089
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
N

nico1089

Guest
Hi-I am not a Muslim, nor am I a Christian. I am somewhere in between. I follow the mystical teachings of both, that is to say, in respect that I belive in One God, the God of Abraham, Allah. I read Hafiz,Jesus, Muhammad, and Rumi (Mathnawi) as prophets.
I have recently come across Hallaj who was martyred. I was wondering what his connoction to Islam was. Is he considered a heretic? How about Rumi? I know they are Sufi and that there is tension between the Orthrodx and the Sufi but I really don’t know why this is .Perhaps someone could explain this to me or point to some website where it is explained. I am here to learn. thanks, nicolo
 
40.png
nico1089:
Hi-I am not a Muslim, nor am I a Christian. I am somewhere in between. I follow the mystical teachings of both, that is to say, in respect that I belive in One God, the God of Abraham, Allah. I read Hafiz,Jesus, Muhammad, and Rumi (Mathnawi) as prophets.
I have recently come across Hallaj who was martyred. I was wondering what his connoction to Islam was. Is he considered a heretic? How about Rumi? I know they are Sufi and that there is tension between the Orthrodx and the Sufi but I really don’t know why this is .Perhaps someone could explain this to me or point to some website where it is explained. I am here to learn. thanks, nicolo
Click to expand...
Hi Nicolo,

I know why you are not christian as from your previous posts you do not support the trinity concept, but is there any reason why you are not a Muslim? You believe in the same God we believe in, do you also believe in Muhammed as a Prophet? If you do, thats the essence of what constitutes a Muslim.

It is true that Sufism and orthodox teachings of Islam do clash and are very much opposing of one another. Orthodox Sunni Muslims believe Sufism is a foreign concept introduced into Islam. Rumi, Hallaj, Hafiz, and those like them are from the most extreme of sufi thinkers. In another thread a member asked me to give a summarized post on the deviation of some heretical sects, namely Shiasm and Sufism. Since you brought this question up, i will post regarding Sufism first and post the link here to the reply.

However, if you are looking for more detailed reading material on Sufism:
Dispraise of al-Hawaa by Dr. Saleh as-Saleh
Part 1
calgaryislam.com/imembers/pdf/bidah/Al-Hawaa_Part1.pdf
Part 2
calgaryislam.com/imembers/pdf/bidah/Al-Hawaa_Part2.pdf
(right click and save target as)

This book is one of the best ive come across in english regarding Sufism and its deviation. It is not however geared for non-muslims so im not sure how much trouble you will run into understanding the content. The author researched through the books and writings of sufi thinkers and has mainly focused on quoting from them in illustrating the deviation and heresy of Sufism in relation to the orthodox teachings of Islam. Although i benefited from the book immensely in understanding just how off sufism is, I also found its content disturbing at times due to the heinousness and heretical nature of the quotes.
 
Hi Hashi Al-Eritre, “I know why you are not christian as from your previous posts you do not support the trinity concept, but is there any reason why you are not a Muslim? You believe in the same God we believe in, do you also believe in Muhammed as a Prophet? If you do, thats the essence of what constitutes a Muslim.”–Hashi Al-Eritre

Thanks for your understanding. You are correct, the documents you pointed out to me are difficult to comprehend without a background in Islam. I do not have enough vocabulary.
Yes, I believe in the same God–Allah–and I believe that Muhammed was a prophet. But that doesn’t make one a Muslim anymore than believing in the trinity makes one a Christian. In my view, so many that are Christian or Muslim or Jew are by name only. In each group, most did not choose but rather had the choice imposed on them. They are all different names, but with the same goal–God–. For me, to have doctrine imposed on me would prevent my own honesty and free will, and hence come between God and me. In my leaving myself in Allah’s will, I move very slow as to what to accept and what to turn away. If it makes me love God and my fellow man more, it is good. If it satisfies my ego and lower nature, it is bad.
In reading a book I do not take the whole book as truth just because I find some of it true, nor false because some is false, no matter what “man” says so. A book can never prove itself, whether it be the bible, or Qu’ran, or Dead Sea Scrolls. Free will and self are the greatest gifts that we can return to Allah, so I wish to keep mine free without accepting any burden of doctrine that would take me my whole life to think out. Loving God is beyond intellect, and I am glad for that!–nicolo
 
Hi Nicolo,

Yes masud is a well known Sufi website. I have addressed briefly the origins and beliefs of sufism on the thread forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=81179 . It also addresses the correct methodology of Islam. This is ofcourse coming from the orthodox Sunni prespective.

You raised many things in your reply that i wish to address. I however dont have the time to reply tonight. Hopefully i will have the time to tomorrow.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top