Happy Birthday, Mr. Darwin: Growing Majority of Americans Support Teaching Both Sides of Evolution Debate

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Happy Birthday, Mr. Darwin:
Growing Majority of Americans Support Teaching Both Sides of Evolution Debate

Just in time for Charles Darwin’s 200th birthday and the 150th anniversary of his Origin of Species, a new nationwide Zogby poll of likely voters indicates overwhelming public support for teaching the scientific evidence for and against Darwin’s theory. The poll shows similar overwhelming support for giving students and teachers the academic freedom to discuss the “strengths and weaknesses” of evolution.
According to Discovery Institute’s Dr. John West, the poll results may shatter some preconceptions held by those in the media about who supports letting students hear a balanced presentation on Darwinian theory.
 
There’s a big difference between supporting scientific evidence for and against creation being taught in school and supporting schools teaching creationism.
 
buffalo said:
According to Discovery Institute’s Dr. John West, the poll results may shatter some preconceptions held by those in the media about who supports letting students hear a balanced presentation on Darwinian theory.
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If true, I guess the Wedge Strategy for tricking people into accepting ID* is working.

Peace

Tim

*The strategy for tricking people into accepting ID is to instill unsubstantiated questions regarding evolution into the public’s minds (Phase II of the strategy) - ie present a “balanced” treatment of Darwinian theory.
 
buffalo said:
Happy Birthday, Mr. Darwin:
Growing Majority of Americans Support Teaching Both Sides of Evolution Debate

Just in time for Charles Darwin’s 200th birthday and the 150th anniversary of his Origin of Species, a new nationwide Zogby poll of likely voters indicates overwhelming public support for teaching the scientific evidence for and against Darwin’s theory. The poll shows similar overwhelming support for giving students and teachers the academic freedom to discuss the “strengths and weaknesses” of evolution.
According to Discovery Institute’s Dr. John West, the poll results may shatter some preconceptions held by those in the media about who supports letting students hear a balanced presentation on Darwinian theory.
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Oh, goody. When can we start teaching medical students about balancing the four humours?
 
Both sides?

You mean genetics as well as the fossil record and phenotypes?

That’s actually three but no need to nitpick.
 
Orogeny said:
If true, I guess the Wedge Strategy for tricking people into accepting ID* is working.

Peace

Tim

*The strategy for tricking people into accepting ID is to instill unsubstantiated questions regarding evolution into the public’s minds (Phase II of the strategy) - ie present a “balanced” treatment of Darwinian theory.
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So do you believe that there are absolutely NO questions regarding the validity of the current theory of evolution? Or are you just against mentioning these things, if they do exist?
 
buffalo said:
Happy Birthday, Mr. Darwin:
Growing Majority of Americans Support Teaching Both Sides of Evolution Debate

Just in time for Charles Darwin’s 200th birthday and the 150th anniversary of his Origin of Species, a new nationwide Zogby poll of likely voters indicates overwhelming public support for teaching the scientific evidence for and against Darwin’s theory. The poll shows similar overwhelming support for giving students and teachers the academic freedom to discuss the “strengths and weaknesses” of evolution.
According to Discovery Institute’s Dr. John West, the poll results may shatter some preconceptions held by those in the media about who supports letting students hear a balanced presentation on Darwinian theory.
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Good one Buffalo. I’m not suprised the public are so skeptical because there are lots and lots of scientists and professors who hold the same opinion. I went to a Catholic school and was indoctrinated (intoxicated) with the Dar-wine “truth”.

As I got older and wiser I realised Darwins book, *On the Origin of Species by means of Natural selection or, The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life * didn’t explain the origin of anything except where he introduces a “god of the gaps” fallacy for the first cell, which is neither Biblical nor scientific.
 
ricmat said:
So do you believe that there are absolutely NO questions regarding the validity of the current theory of evolution? Or are you just against mentioning these things, if they do exist?
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Nope, no questions on the basic validity of toe. Random mutations coupled with natural selection is sufficient to explain the origin of species.

Within toe there are plenty of detailed issues that still need to be addressed but none really suitable for regular high schoolers.
 
cerad said:
Nope, no questions on the basic validity of toe. Random mutations coupled with natural selection is sufficient to explain the origin of species.
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Ah, yes… we often hear that toe is just as proven and valid as the theory of gravity. So tell me,
  1. How fast do gravity waves travel?
  2. What causes gravity? …and I mean something more detailed than “it’s a property of matter”.
The correct answer to those questions is “We don’t really know.” The correct answer to many questions about evolution is the same.
 
theistgal said:
And don’t forget the alternatives to the theory of gravity.

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4215/roadrunnerpb1.jpg
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as the image and cartoons have shown(ha 2 sources) gravity only applies if:
  1. you believe in it
  2. you are currently aware that it is being defied-until this point it has no effect and you may continue to walk on air
  3. with ot without point 2(but especially with) gravity is time delayed. you will have time to hold up a sign or open an umbrella before you fall.
 
ricmat said:
Ah, yes… we often hear that toe is just as proven and valid as the theory of gravity. So tell me,
  1. How fast do gravity waves travel?
  2. What causes gravity? …and I mean something more detailed than “it’s a property of matter”.
The correct answer to those questions is “We don’t really know.” The correct answer to many questions about evolution is the same.
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You are right. We should therefore teach alternative theories of gravity. I’m sure you will support taking time from teaching science to do that.

To answer your question to me, I know of no problems regarding the validity of the theory of evolution. Lack of having all the answers is not a reason to question the validity. So far, there is no evidence that I know of that would invalidate the theory. If you have some, you should write it up. I hear that Nobel prize winners can make some serious money.

Peace

Tim
 
Instead of motive-mongering, Dr. Meyer annihilated Eugenie’s and the TFN’s other main argument, which could, if it were true, actually hold rhetorical validity: It’s their facade that neo-Darwinian evolution has no scientific weaknesses. It’s a pretty easy argument to demolish. Dr. Meyer presented the Texas State Board of Education with four thick binders full of over 100 mainstream scientific articles that express scientific challenges to key aspects of neo-Darwinian evolutionary theory, especially challenging the arguments used to support it in biology textbooks.

evolutionnews.org/2009/01/texas_debate_update_stephen_me.html
 
I guess the public is too ignorant to understand the genius-wisdom of Darwinian evolutionists. Perhaps we should start teaching evolution in school science courses, then more people would believe it.

Here’s another good idea – evolutionists should ridicule creationists more often and laugh at the idea that God actually created anything. They should give more support to atheistic ideas and prove that religion is evil.

Of course, most importantly, cover-up any problems with evolutionary theory and express outrage that someone could even suggest that there are any flaws at all with neo-Darwinism.
“Clearly, the Darwin-only crowd is losing public support,” said West. “There seems to be a backlash against the strong-arm tactics that have been used in recent years to censor and intimidate scientists, teachers, and students who raise criticisms of Darwin.”
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ricmat said:
Ah, yes… we often hear that toe is just as proven and valid as the theory of gravity. So tell me,
  1. How fast do gravity waves travel?
  2. What causes gravity? …and I mean something more detailed than “it’s a property of matter”.
The correct answer to those questions is “We don’t really know.” The correct answer to many questions about evolution is the same.
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I think if you review some of these threads you will find that what is actually said is that the Theory of Evolution is significantly more strongly supported than any Theory of Gravity. In fact I don’t think there really is a widely supported theory of gravity.
 
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