"Happy Holidays" Offensive?

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I have never been able to understand the hoopla over the phrase “Happy Holidays”. As near as I can tell it originated from an Irving Berlin song from the 1942 musical Holiday Inn, which starred Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire. It was also the film that introduced the song “White Christmas” to the world.
(I actually prefer the movie Holiday Inn over White Christmas by a slight margin.)
Anyway, the point of the song had to do with the plot. Bing and Fred starting an Inn in Vermont that was only open on holidays. It had nothing to do with minimizing Christmas. It grew into a greeting that acknowledges the holidays from Thanksgiving to New Years.
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with the politeness of acknowledging the holidays of other religions?
People seem to forget it was Irving Berlin, a Jew, who wrote White Christmas.
I teach such a mixed group of students, not only Christians and a handful of Jews, but also plenty of Muslims, Hindus, and others, including atheists, I’m sure, that I sometimes wonder whether I should even say “Happy Holidays” to my students, let alone “Merry Christmas.” And I teach at a Catholic university!
 
I don’t like it because it’s forced because it’s not something you would say your mom and dad or your siblings or your best friend.
There are many things I would say to my mom, dad, siblings, husband, kids that I wouldn’t say to people I encounter in public, I prefer it that way, I want personal interactions to be personal, not the same as my interactions with Joe Schmo on the street.
 
When I was in elementary school back in the 1980s, we used to have a “Christmas play.” And when I started high school back in the early 1990s, we had a school wide Christmas party.
I find that odd, in my experience Christmas parties were the stuff of grade school and ended when you went to Jr. High. The only place in high school where there were Christmas parties were in the language classes and those were more of a “these are some French/German/Spanish holiday traditions”.
I’ve heard other Jewish people say, “if someone wishes you Merry Christmas, you should simply say ‘thank you and Merry Christmas to you’ because they are saying it as an act of goodwill. To correct them or take offense, causes division, etc.”
And of course this would hold true for Christians who are wished a Happy Chanukah or Happy Ramadan.
So for me, I say Merry Christmas unless I don’t know what they celebrate. Then I would say, “Merry Christmas & Happy Hanukkah”

I would only use Happy Holidays in writing, when I don’t know what the person celebrates. But I try not to use it in speech.
Why not use it in speech and why would you say Merry Christmas and Happy Chanukah if you you don’t know what the person in front of you celebrates, those 2 salutations do not cover every possibility or include New Years. If you don’t know then it seems Happy Holidays would be more considerate.
 
There is certainly a place for the expression. Problem is, that “Holidays” can also be understood as a PC-driven purging of the legitimate usage of “Christmas” - as in the number of decorated trees in public places now referred to by fiat as “Holiday Trees.” Thanksgiving, Christmas, and New Year’s are certainly the “holidays,” but I cannot recall any “Thanksgiving Tree” or “New Year’s Tree.” Nevertheless, the government has re-named such trees in public.

That’s the problem: The usage “Happy Holidays” can also be experienced as a form of government speech control.
The “government” is not making you say anything or controlling your speech, the government is controlling its own speech.
 
Because from my experience it’s the religious “right” and other Christians of a conservative persuasion that make a fuss about there being a “war on Christmas” in their minds. There is no such war.
And these people make Christians look superficial and petty, they are the Christmas equivalent of Bridzillas, “it’s my special day and I want everyone to do, say and look just as I want, and if you can’t understand that you’re just being mean and hateful”
 
I have never been able to understand the hoopla over the phrase “Happy Holidays”. As near as I can tell it originated from an Irving Berlin song from the 1942 musical Holiday Inn, which starred Bing Crosby and Fred Astaire. It was also the film that introduced the song “White Christmas” to the world.
(I actually prefer the movie Holiday Inn over White Christmas by a slight margin.)
Anyway, the point of the song had to do with the plot. Bing and Fred starting an Inn in Vermont that was only open on holidays. It had nothing to do with minimizing Christmas. It grew into a greeting that acknowledges the holidays from Thanksgiving to New Years.
What is wrong with that?
What is wrong with the politeness of acknowledging the holidays of other religions?
People seem to forget it was Irving Berlin, a Jew, who wrote White Christmas.
This seems to be a very American debate. In my country I get many many Carols from the English tradition of Christmas, but from the Americas I get snow, santa, snow. Dreaming of a white Christmas, let it snow let it snow let it snow, santa baby, rockin around a Christmas tree etc.

I will make one general exception, a breath of fresh air in an otherwise stagnant repertoire. Trans Siberian Orchestra.
 
I think the idea that this is just another attempt to remove Christian culture from public discourse is not without merit. Of course there are many different situations.

I remember going to a work party and a drinking partner of mine who was an atheist said that he didn’t think it was appropriate any more to say Merry Christmas because some people might find it offensive.

I replied very gently that if a Muslim said happy Ramadan to me i wouldn’t be offended but would just smile and say happy Ramadan back to them. I thought it was important to take the phrase in the friendly manner n which it was delivered.

He thought about it for 30 seconds and then scowled and got up and left the party without saying another word to anyone. I assumed he just didn’t want the reminder of a Christian culture and was trying to use the morality of political correctness to silence it. Sometimes that happens as well.
 
I think a lot of the PC stuff is generational. The WW2 generation didn’t fight over it.
I got the idea for this thread after watching aforementioned Christmas movies in the OP. One special available on Amazon was the 1966 Danny Kaye Christmas special. His ending song was “Some Children See Him”, a beautiful song about Christ. All the more amazing when one considers it was sung by Danny Kaye, born Kaminsky, a child of Ukrainian Jewish immigrants in Brooklyn New York.
That generation could teach us so much.
 
I can’t say I’ve ever been bothered by the Happy Christmas business but the whole Christmas, Boxing Day, New Year’s Eve, New Year’s Day thing does add up to a holiday season in the UK, for example, so ‘Happy Holidays’ would be accurate.
 
The “government” is not making you say anything or controlling your speech, the government is controlling its own speech.
When a governmental / public authority can tell you what terms to use for not just “holiday trees” but even for articles of clothing worn in a setting like a school (“Yes, this is my Christmas, uh sorry, my ‘holiday’ sweater” - I call that controlling my speech. Perhaps you don’t live in Massachusetts.
 
When a governmental / public authority can tell you what terms to use for not just “holiday trees” but even for articles of clothing worn in a setting like a school (“Yes, this is my Christmas, uh sorry, my ‘holiday’ sweater” - I call that controlling my speech. Perhaps you don’t live in Massachusetts.
If that is going on, it’s time to start filing lawsuits.
 
I do not think the problem was so much the term was offensive, as it was controversial when the phrase “Merry Christmas” was* forbidden* for employees in some businesses. If it was just a matter of hearing “Happy Holidays,” I don’t think anyone would care. Nor do I care if anyone says Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa or Season’s Greetings.
 
I think the idea that this is just another attempt to remove Christian culture from public discourse is not without merit. Of course there are many different situations.

I remember going to a work party and a drinking partner of mine who was an atheist said that he didn’t think it was appropriate any more to say Merry Christmas because some people might find it offensive.

I replied very gently that if a Muslim said happy Ramadan to me i wouldn’t be offended but would just smile and say happy Ramadan back to them. I thought it was important to take the phrase in the friendly manner n which it was delivered.

He thought about it for 30 seconds and then scowled and got up and left the party without saying another word to anyone. I assumed he just didn’t want the reminder of a Christian culture and was trying to use the morality of political correctness to silence it. Sometimes that happens as well.
If he was an atheist it probably not about Christianity but religion. Many atheists I know don’t care for anything that has to do with any religion. He might have been frustrated at your tolerance for a different religion, surprised by your support of a religious practice not your own, and that you weren’t hypocritical about religious practices e.g., yours is okay but not others.) Christianity is probably at the top of the list but only because it dominates in the West.
 
Years ago, after discovering 75% off after-Christmas sales I decided at if I had a family I wanted to switch things up; keep Christmas solemn and do gift giving for Epiphany. As much as I could that is, since I doubt I could have gotten anyone else on board with that.
 
Years ago, after discovering 75% off after-Christmas sales I decided at if I had a family I wanted to switch things up; keep Christmas solemn and do gift giving for Epiphany. As much as I could that is, since I doubt I could have gotten anyone else on board with that.
That works perfectly if you don’t have any little ones believing Santa is bringing gifts on Christmas Eve. 😃
 
There is absolutely nothing wrong with it and I am so pleased, though somewhat surprised, to see some Catholics here agreeing. Because from my experience it’s the religious “right” and other Christians of a conservative persuasion that make a fuss about there being a “war on Christmas” in their minds. There is no such war.

I have in the past sent cards with “Merry Christmas” on them. To those whom I knew celebrated Christmas. This year the cards I sent said “Happy Holidays” and when I ran out of those, I opened another box. Those said “Seasons Greetings”. And I wrote Merry Christmas inside. Had I sent to someone of the Jewish faith, I’d have written “Happy Hanukkah”. If you call my phone right now you will receive a voice mail greeting that begins with Hi and Happy Holidays! I recorded it for the time period Thanksgiving-New Years. I live in a diverse area, racially, culturally, and religiously. During Ramadan, I’ve wished my Muslim neighbors a blessed Ramadan. At Christmas they’ve been known to wish me “Merry Christmas”. I never have understood the hoopla either.
I would just like to say, we should distinguish between people who say “I am offended by ‘Happy Holidays’” seriously, versus people who say it as a rhetorical point.
 
American Christians are wasting too much time over this. ‘Happy Holidays’ isn’t going to remove Christianity from American society. Instead of worrying over this, they should work on avoiding sin to the best of their abilities, learn more about the faith, stand firm graciously and evangelize. These matter more. ‘Happy Christmas’ (or having an established church) hasn’t saved London and much of England from becoming so secularized. Would it be better if a country had faithful Christians who say ‘Happy Holidays’ instead of ‘Merry Christmas’ or a country where ‘Merry Christmas’ is preferred over ‘Happy Holidays’ but most are lukewarm Christians?
 
Thankful I live in rural Ireland!

Here we say MERRY CHRISTMAS and often the reply is MANY HAPPY RETURNS which is usually associated with birthdays, hey appropriate enough !
 
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