Hardcore Music

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Hardcore as in Heavy Metal or as in filthy, blasphemous lyrics?

In general, if listening to such music could present an occasion for sin to erupt, as in thoughts or actions, it should be avoided. In itself, the music isn’t usually problematic, it’s the lyrics.
 
holdencaulfield said:
Is it a sin to listen to hardcore music?
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What do you mean by hardcore?

A lot of it depends upon the person listening to it.

I’m a big heavy metal fan. I enjoy listening to it and it lifts my spirits. My wife, on the other hand, cannot listen to it at all. It makes her agitated and makes her feel “dark” inside. (Thus, I do not listen to it around her.)

Part of it has to do with one’s past. I had a fairly happy-go-lucky childhood, and I managed to stay out of trouble for the most part. I have friends who engaged in all sorts of rebelliousness when they were younger and only later came to conversion. They cannot listen to heavy metal (or in some cases rap) because listening to that music takes them back to their time of immorality. It doesn’t have the same associations for me.

Even so, I don’t know if listening to it would be a sin for them. They choose not to because of the way it makes them feel. Now, if they intentionally listened to it because it allowed them to indulge in fantasies about their past sinful behavior, that would probably be sinful.

All this being said, there are still types of metal that I wouldn’t touch. If they’re singing (or growling) blasphemies against the Lord, I really don’t want to waste my time. I can put up with a certain amount of questioning or criticism of organized religion within the lyrics, but overt blasphemy is something I just won’t tolerate.

To sum up, I guess I would say it’s hard to make a blanket statement about it. It probably has to be looked at on a case-by-case basis. Some bands are pretty bad, and I could see listening to them as being the sin of scandal if nothing else. Even if you can listen to it without a problem, maybe it leads cousin Johnny to listen to it and get mixed up with the wrong crowd because, well, you listen to it and you’re a “good Christian”, so it must be okay to listen to it and hang out with all these guys doing drugs and whatnot.
 
hi all just putting some scripture behind Joe’s post St. Paul’s letter to the Romans 14:12-23 deals with doing things that are in themselves alright but to those who are weak it may lead them astray.
 
Newbie2 said:
Hardcore as in Heavy Metal or as in filthy, blasphemous lyrics?

In general, if listening to such music could present an occasion for sin to erupt, as in thoughts or actions, it should be avoided. In itself, the music isn’t usually problematic, it’s the lyrics.
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No there is nothing wrong with the lyrics.
 
fbl9 said:
hi all just putting some scripture behind Joe’s post St. Paul’s letter to the Romans 14:12-23 deals with doing things that are in themselves alright but to those who are weak it may lead them astray.
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If we’re going to get scriptural about it, I’d invoke Matthew 15:10-11.

He summoned the crowd and said to them, “Hear and understand. It is not what enters one’s mouth that defiles that person; but what comes out of the mouth is what defiles one.”
 
I listen to a lot of heavy metal, as well as classical music, jazz (big band, lounge), alternative, electronic. I find good heavy metal to be very inspiring and driving. I do not listen to death metal (Cannibal Corpse for instance), because the way the vocals are screamed in that deep, roaring way make me feel physically uneasy and ill and there’s really no astounding talent involved. Besides, the lyrics are horrible. One of Cannibal Corpse’s songs is called “Meat-Hook Sodomy”. There you go. :eek:

However, there is some fantastic metal I listen to, with great, meaningful lyrics. One of my favorite metal bands is Kamelot (progessive metal; metal with strings or an orchestra to accompany them.). Here’s the first verse to one of their songs, “The Human Stain”:

Talk about the growing hunger
Ask why with deep concern
Don’t you think
the human race is ceaselessly vain

But it hurts to be alive, my friend
In this silent tide we’re driftwood passing by
Don’t you wish you were a child again
Just for a minute
just for a minute more

Though the lyrics are depressing and dark, I love this sort of music because that is how I feel sometimes. It makes me feel better to listen to music that expresses how I am feeling at the moment.

As a musician myself, I think metal, when done well, can be extremely moving and powerful. I don’t think it’s healthy to listen to music loaded with f-bombs and derogatory sexual language, but I’m not sure if it’s necessarily a sin.
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(I’m of the opinion that Classical Music is also; it dissipates the mind, but in much lesser degree than Rock)
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Er…how does classical music dissipate the mind? That sounds like a joke. God gave musicians a gift, and he wishes for them to use it the way he intended.
 
I listen to quite hardcore music, however I always check the lyrics first and make sure they are ok. I never listen to anything with bad lyrics.
 
Sometimes it just depends. Looking back on the history of metal (I did a project on it for some class couple years ago) you could probably root it back to some classical stuff, which used what was called the “Devil’s Chords.” The Devil’s Chords are essentially a key of chords which sound rather evil in themselves, and can be used to great effect… Oh sorry, going off on a tangent.

There is some really great metal, with even better lyrics. (I happen to have been taught to play guitar under a Christian heavy metal rocker, and now I play strictly acoustic, go figure :rolleyes: ) You can find some Christian metal bands, you can find some Satanic metal bands. Like all music, it tends to get weird at times. For instance, there is such a thing as “Wizard Metal,” which is a spin-off of Wizard Rock. (wizrocklopedia.com/index.php/guide/)

It can be thoroughly positive, it can be thoroughly negative. It can be diverse, it can be bland.

Usually not my taste, though I would recommend a couple Christian metal bands if asked.
 
Er…how does classical music dissipate the mind? That sounds like a joke. God gave musicians a gift, and he wishes for them to use it the way he intended.
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Classical Music dissipates the mind by worldly frivolous sentiments to a certain degree.
Most classical musicians seem to care more about music than saving their souls.
 
7rosario said:
Classical Music dissipates the mind by worldly frivolous sentiments to a certain degree.
Most classical musicians seem to care more about music than saving their souls.
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What if it was written as penance? :rolleyes:

Should we also condemn classical art, classical literature, anything of this world?

It can be positive for the soul.
 
7rosario said:
Classical Music dissipates the mind by worldly frivolous sentiments to a certain degree.
Most classical musicians seem to care more about music than saving their souls.
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Oh, please, you’ve got to be joking. Can’t people just have a hobby that focuses on something different than saving their soul every once in a while? I have to say, playing music is one of the most intense experiences I’ve had, I can’t really explain what it’s like. I’m happy that God gave me this gift and I have used it to play the piano/drums at my church.

Have you not seen the passion with which a professional concert musician or opera singer delivers their music? Pavarotti, for example, gave an astounding, deeply moving performance of “Nessun Dorma”. Classical music gives me chills and sometimes moves me to tears because it is so beautiful. It’s an incredible talent that God gives to some people.
 
Kitteh said:
However, there is some fantastic metal I listen to, with great, meaningful lyrics. One of my favorite metal bands is Kamelot (progessive metal; metal with strings or an orchestra to accompany them.).
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Great to see another Kamelot fan here! Awesome band. I have all their albums. 🙂 I actually started listening to them before Kahn was their vocalist with their “Dominion” and “Eternity” albums. Of course, they are much, much better now than they were back then! Have you ever listened to Kahn’s former band “Conception”? They’re a little different than Kamelot, but still great. He’s one of my top favorite vocalists, to be sure.
 
7rosario said:
Rock music is said to be production of the devil.

(I’m of the opinion that Classical Music is also; it dissipates the mind, but in much lesser degree than Rock)
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So what type of music do you listen to? I’m very curious! Most people that condemn rock music seem to elevate classical music with the same motion. It’s very interesting to me that you criticize both of them!
 
holdencaulfield said:
Is it a sin to listen to hardcore music?
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Sin? I don’t know.

what I do know is that music is powerful. It draws upon the well of emotions. If it is depressing melodically and lyrically your emotions will mirror that. I hear people say that “it’s how I feel, so why is it wrong?”. Is feeling hopeless and depressed showing faith in God and in His greatness? Is feeling suicidal giving glory to God or is it debasing the gift of life God has given?

I listen to Christian music, whether it is hard rock or southern gospel. The message is most important. The harsh sounds of the music are less important, but can still raise levels of stress. If someone is listening to it to get their “energy fix”, then I suggest they tone down their energy, not turn up the music.

Peace…

MW
 
Some years ago I shared a house with two very good friends. Both Christians, and both int the skate boarding, bmx, and surfing. One evening I was listening to some “hardcore”. I’m sure some of you have heard of SLAYER. ( My music tastes have changed over the years and they are no longer a part of my collection). They had never heard of SLAYER before. They asked me to turn the volume up.

To be honest I felt uncomfortable with this as I had to point out that SLAYER stands for Satan Laughs As You Eternally Rot. They didn’t seem to mind this which suprised me. I tried to explain to them that this was as bad as it gets (except maybe for Deicide) for the anti christ using music as a way to corrupt the masses.
 
magisterfaust said:
Some years ago I shared a house with two very good friends. Both Christians, and both int the skate boarding, bmx, and surfing. One evening I was listening to some “hardcore”. I’m sure some of you have heard of SLAYER. ( My music tastes have changed over the years and they are no longer a part of my collection). They had never heard of SLAYER before. They asked me to turn the volume up.

To be honest I felt uncomfortable with this as I had to point out that SLAYER stands for Satan Laughs As You Eternally Rot. They didn’t seem to mind this which suprised me. I tried to explain to them that this was as bad as it gets (except maybe for Deicide) for the anti christ using music as a way to corrupt the masses.
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I used to own Slayer albums, Dio, Metallica and many other metal bands. Slayer is absolutely Satanic. They themselves leave no room for question on that issue. This music is used to corrupt the masses and the wicked and vile, blasphemous pagan god Pan is the culprit. I was mislead for many years with this kind of music as a teenager. I now realize of course that Satan and his lower minions use music to implant doubts and invoke emotions that are unhealthy.

By the way, this weekend I’ll be updating my blog with a post about Pan and his relation to music.

Peace…

MW
 
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