Hardcore Music

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Is it a sin to listen to hardcore music?
Firstly, I have always liked music that my parents didn’t approve of. When I was in elementary school I owned Motley Crue, Whitesnake, and Guns N’ Roses, but didn’t get into heavier music until I was in middle school I got into heavier music preferably Pantera, Sepultura, and I watched MTV’s Headbanger’s Ball every week. I wasn’t old enough to really internalize the lyrics, but I liked the aggressive image of the cover art and the songs. When I was in high school Pantera spoke to me it was fast, guitar driven, aggressive music that after you played it you felt better. A lot of times it was like , “And I thought I had problems, this singer (Phil) has nothing good for him besides anger, I don’t have it half as bad as him” is what I thought. So it acted as catharsis for me. I stayed into them for my whole high school time, but when I graduated I got into Metallica, Type O Negative, and then it progressively got darker and heavier. I at the time was just mostly living day to day without much happiness to call my own, to coin a phrase taken from a Nine Inch Nails song, “every day is exactly the same” is how things were for me. Yet, my musical style went from heavy metal, to gothic metal, to well Opeth. Which I still love to listen to, but I know that I am feeding my dark side when I venture to play these types of bands.

Yet, is heavy metal inheritantly evil? No, but generally the people that make the music are liberal artists that try to stretch the boundaries for the norm. They are like the Renaissance period of thinkers that thought outside of the confines of society; and if it impacts the youth on rash scales that is how societies are broken up from the inside. On the other hand, people that are liberal or free-thinkers can revolutionize how the society and the system of norms (if it be religion, politics, music genres) and strengthen the people as a call to arms to defend what they believe in, that otherwise wouldn’t have been called to do.

When I saw the metal documentary (now I remembered the name) Metal: A Headbanger’s Journey I learned a lot about the origins of the genre. It cut through in an even keel with a narrator that was very non-threatening and fair minded. This documentary was an eye opener for how different the scenes in America and in Scandinavia. When I got into Therion and Bathory from Sweden, then Tristania from Norway these very diverse bands that stemmed from the bleak cold north, they have/had talent that many American bands hadn’t reached yet. Though the first mentioned bands were Satanic bands when they started, but if you follow European metal, most bands start out doing the popular style to gain reputation and then when they are established they change and play the music they want to. When watching the documentary I was frightened by the way that that some Norwegians viewed religion, especially Christianity. In the metal scene like the band Mayhem played the darkest heaviest music that resulted in a series of church burnings; including burning Fantoft Stave Church built in 1150 to the ground. The bassist for Mayhem, Varg Vikernes was charged with not only one or two of these arsons, and also with the murder of a fellow musician. So rowdy upstart young people can paint the genre with unnecessary violence, but then again one could argue was it the music that influenced them or was it a culture that had turned to individualism and in turn forsaking religion.

The biggest turn off on a social level to heavy metal are the majority of the fans. They are aggressive, they are standoffish or loud, and they look and act very unstable. The biggest problem I have is that the fans want to abuse one another in the crowd instead of just being a collective group and enjoying the music. Stage diving, moshing and other antics are negatives to the image to newcomers and even people that have been into it for years. I am a fan of all the bands I included in this post (except Mayhem), but I disdain that the artists don’t care and encourage the fans to abuse one another in the “sport of the concert”. I have been to many country music concerts and I never feared for my safety there.

In conclusion, there are some negatives to the music, the people and some of the influences of the music, but heavy music is something that isn’t going away, except when we get older and don’t see the luster of this music the same. If you think about it, how many 60 year metal fans do you know? It’s generally temporary music that fills an adolescent need of expression, aggression and/or creativity. If it’s in moderation no music is harmful, just know when you have had enough and you will be alright; anyways as a general rule, if it feels like a sin, it probably is.

(oh sorry for the length of the post, I am used to writing 4 part thesis papers:bounce: )
 
The one thing I would have trouble with, (if ever converting would be a consideration), would be the music. I haven’t heard much in the way of good christian music. I cannot see how christian heavy metal can compete with the likes of Mudvayne; (dig). Korn (thoughtless), and anything by Rammstein.
 
I laugh at anyone that labels mainstream rock or even Underoath as hardcore. You want hardcore — listen to Black Flag, Fugazi, and the Minutemen. These are all bands that jam econo. Their do-it-yourself, anti-corporate ethic, I think would admirable for Christians.

To the person who called rock music “rebellious” and “dissipative”, I would like to ask you something: those slaves who rebelled against their masters were so evil right?
 
@gmags2003:

You clearly have never heard Underoath’s first two albums.
 
Your absolutely right, I haven’t heard their first two albums. But you can’t even compare their music to the founders of the hardcore movement’s music.
 
Coincidentally, you won’t advance in the spiritual life by eating an apple.
 
Your absolutely right, I haven’t heard their first two albums. But you can’t even compare their music to the founders of the hardcore movement’s music.
By hardcore, I didn’t mean lyrics. Only sound.
 
The one thing I would have trouble with, (if ever converting would be a consideration), would be the music. I haven’t heard much in the way of good christian music. I cannot see how christian heavy metal can compete with the likes of Mudvayne; (dig). Korn (thoughtless), and anything by Rammstein.
Just because you convert doesn’t mean you are obligated to listen to nothing but Christian music. Most of the music I listen to is not Christian (though I do try to stay away from the explicitly anti-Christian stuff).

I don’t know of any Christian metal bands in the same vein as Korn or Rammstein. There are good Christian metal bands like Saviour Machine and Theocracy (the former being a Goth metal band, and the latter being straight-up power metal). I’m not sure if either would appeal to you, but they are both quite talented in their area.
 
Kitteh,

Kamelot is cool, but for Prog-Metal I prefer Dark Moor or Rhapsody…y’all listen to them at all?
Thanks for the suggestion, I’ve yet to listen to Dark Moor but Rhapsody is phenomenal! Their sound seems similar to the Trans-Siberian Orchestra.
 
It dissipates the mind. Has a rebellious nature to it.
I’m not sure if it’s sin in itself,
but probably close enough that you shouldn’t listen to it anyway.
Kind of like dancing with others: books.google.com/books?id=d8kCAAAAQAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=introduction+to+devout+life&ei=H6vZR6OwL4yuiQGV3cjZAQ#PPA191,M1

Rock music is said to be production of the devil.

(I’m of the opinion that Classical Music is also; it dissipates the mind, but in much lesser degree than Rock)
Yea so I guess Pope Benedict when he plays Beethoven is becoming at one with the devil.

Please :rolleyes:

Just don’t give people advice on music.
 
I used to own Slayer albums, Dio, Metallica and many other metal bands. Slayer is absolutely Satanic. They themselves leave no room for question on that issue.
Since Tom Araya, (Slayer’s singer) is catholic, how do you figure this?
This music is used to corrupt the masses and the wicked and vile, blasphemous pagan god Pan is the culprit.
Heavy Metal is not exactly the most popular music there is, so masses can hardly be an accurate description can it?
I was mislead for many years with this kind of music as a teenager.
In what way were you mislead?
I now realize of course that Satan and his lower minions use music to implant doubts and invoke emotions that are unhealthy.
This makes you sound like someone from the dark ages.

Let’s pretend that the devil does exist, why do you imagine that it would have or even need a gender?
 
I have a general rule of thumb regarding these sorts of things. If it bothers your conscience, its a sin for you. Of course, one must also have a well informed conscience. The point is that for some people it may not bother their conscience to murder someone but that doesn’t make it right. A well informed conscience would be bothered by the murdering of someone because murder is wrong. However, some people do not have a well informed conscience and others have an absolutely warped conscience. But if you have a well informed conscience and cannot find anything in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Scripture, or Sacred Tradition that condemns it and your conscience still bothers you about it, it’s probably best to not participate in whatever it is that your conscience is bothering you about.
 
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