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The script book comes out tomorrow, so I thought we could have a place to discuss it once people have read it.

Anybody here planning on reading it? Or has anyone been lucky enough to see the live production? What’d you think of it?
 
The script book comes out tomorrow, so I thought we could have a place to discuss it once people have read it.

Anybody here planning on reading it? Or has anyone been lucky enough to see the live production? What’d you think of it?
I’d like to read it. Waiting to hear from everybody else.

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I pre-ordered it for my wife. I think she’ll get it on the 8th. So I’d imagine we’ll both read through it then.
 
My copy just arrived in the mail today!! I’m so excited. 😃 I haven’t started it yet but I doubt it will take me long to get through.

Looking forward to the discussion!
 
I am not a fan of Harry Potter. It promotes the occult.
 
In a Harry Potter fanfiction group I read they posted a synopsis of the plot, with the caveat that it might not be correct. From the sound of it - time travel, going back in time years, changing time, etc, it violates the rules of the world that JKR set up, which didn’t surprise anyone there, as a careful examination of the books lead to plot holes big enough to fly dragons through.

I’ll monitor the news about it; if it gets good reviews, I will probably borrow it from the library.

Tom A.
 
In a Harry Potter fanfiction group I read they posted a synopsis of the plot, with the caveat that it might not be correct. From the sound of it - time travel, going back in time years, changing time, etc, it violates the rules of the world that JKR set up, which didn’t surprise anyone there, as a careful examination of the books lead to plot holes big enough to fly dragons through.

I’ll monitor the news about it; if it gets good reviews, I will probably borrow it from the library.

Tom A.
Based on what I’ve seen online and heard from friends, the script has gotten mixed reviews. Some love it, others detest it. There doesn’t seem to be a lot of middle ground.

I’ve just started it and there doesn’t seem to be any issues so far, but we’ll see. I’m curious to see where the story goes.
 
I am not a fan of Harry Potter. It promotes the occult.
Exactly so.

I’m very sad that all of us in today’s culture, including myself, still judge the merit of art based on our emotions, and consider something good so long as we enjoy it.

The Potter subject is done to death, and this is off topic in this thread, but I refuse to bend on this: Rowling’s work is dangerous and should be avoided.
 
Same here.

I will say I really enjoy the story, but I have this problem with a lot of contemporary fiction: the premise is good, the characters, ideas and so on are all good, but in a rush to get everything published editing is severely lacking.

I actually hadn’t even heard of this until I saw a poster this week at the library. I’m interested, but not urgently so.
 
Exactly so.

I’m very sad that all of us in today’s culture, including myself, still judge the merit of art based on our emotions, and consider something good so long as we enjoy it.

The Potter subject is done to death, and this is off topic in this thread, but I refuse to bend on this: Rowling’s work is dangerous and should be avoided.
Yeah, this thread is not the place for that debate, or for judging people’s tastes in fiction.

Anyways, back on topic, I haven’t got a chance to pick up the book yet, but I did see some spoilers, and I will admit some of it feels a bit…fan fictiony. But I’ll wait to see for myself if it works in context.
 
I read it, and was…underwhelmed.

It wasn’t the worst story I’ve read, but this kinda came off as a run of the mill fanfic, as opposed to a professional story.

First and foremost, I found the original of the bad guy way too…contrived. I just couldn’t buy it.

And second, for me, (I figure this doesn’t count as a spoiler since it was in the epilogue of the last book) I just never liked the Hermione/Ron pairing. I liked the idea of Harry and Hermione officially being part of the Weasley family, but Ron and Hermione just always struck me as a bad idea. Personally, I would have paired off Hermione with one of the twins instead, as I felt one of them would have been a better match for her. They were both equally as brilliant as she was (even if they put a humorous twist on it), they were much more confident (Ron was just too insecure and mopey for my taste), and I just never felt Ron and Hermione had that much chemistry between them. So hearing about them in the future, happily married and with kids is just kinda…“Meh, so what?” for me.
 
I read it, and was…underwhelmed.

It wasn’t the worst story I’ve read, but this kinda came off as a run of the mill fanfic, as opposed to a professional story.

First and foremost, I found the original of the bad guy way too…contrived. I just couldn’t buy it.
So I just finished it yesterday and have to say I pretty much agree. Underwhelming is the perfect word to describe it. Though surprisingly, I didn’t mind the time travel aspect, which I thought I was going to hate. I actually liked how it showed suffering in the past shapes who we are and also the impact fathers have on their children and vice versa. It wasn’t exactly original or groundbreaking, but it worked fine for me. That’s partly why - even though the origin of the villain WAS pretty contrived - I didn’t hate it. It fit with the overall theme.

But it was definitely lacking that certain charm that Rowling always gave her stories. No, her prose was never masterful, and she desperately needed a good editor later on, but there was some real magic (pun intended) and joy in her stories. In the characters, in their interactions with each other etc… And that was just completely missing in the play.

I think part of the problem was the format. It’s a play, it’s meant to be performed, not read like a novel. But also, the guy who wrote it clearly had no grasp of the characters. In the books, each character had their own distinct manner of speech. Here? Hermione sounded no different from Malfoy. Hopefully on stage the actors add a little personality into their dialogue. Because reading it was incredibly dull.

Oh well. I wasn’t all that excited for it to begin with so I’m not hugely disappointed, but I think this just confirms for me that the world of Harry Potter is less interesting than its characters. When those are no good, there’s really not much left.
 
I finally finished the* Cursed Child*…it seems that reading five things at once slowed me down a bit. 😛

The general opinion of the script seems to be negative, although I personally enjoyed it. It definitely had its flaws, and there were some inconsistencies between it and the books. Warning: there are some major spoilers below.

I found Albus and Scorpius’ interactions to be odd at times. For the majority of the play, they were supposed to be fourteen, but there were times when their speech didn’t reflect how teenagers typically speak. Here, Scorpius in particular acts more like a goofy little kid than a fourteen-year-old.

Ron, too, I thought was shortchanged. He came across as little more than comic relief, and in one scene, he even charged into a room with his wand pointed the wrong way. He may not have been the brains of the group but he was never quite that stupid.

Also, the way it depicts Time Turning is at odds to how it is portrayed in Prisoner of Azkaban. If you use a Time Turner to go back in time, you have to live through that time again. Time Turners don’t bring someone back to the present. So even though these Time Turners are able to go back years instead of merely an hour, the script doesn’t explain why the time traveller is able to return to the present almost instantly.

Also, the ease with which they brew Polyjuice Potion is strange. In a latter part of the play, the characters suggest sneaking into Bathilda Bagshot’s house and stealing Polyjuice ingredients so that Harry could transform into Voldemort. He ends up using Transfiguration to transform into him instead (though that too is strange…this renders Polyjuice Potion a bit redundant). But what they apparently forgot is that Polyjuice Potion is supposed to take six months to prepare.

The major issue to me though is the idea of Voldemort and Bellatrix having a daughter. Voldemort believed himself to be immortal due to the Horcruxes, so I can’t see him finding it necessary to produce an heir. Plus Voldemort seemed more…wraith-like to me than actually human. The idea of someone, even someone as fanatically devoted to Voldemort as Bellatrix, sleeping with him just seems…odd. I didn’t mind Delphi as a villain per se, or her character and motivations. Her origins are just too contrived as Robyn p pointed out.

So yes, there are a fair number of plot holes and inconsistencies in the story. But I still found myself enjoying it. I was glad to read about these characters again.

Overall, I liked the themes. Harry’s struggles to be a good father to Albus and their eventual reconciliation was portrayed well IMO. His issues are realistic given that he never really had a father figure growing up. There were some touching scenes as well, especially when Harry spoke to Dumbledore’s portrait about his fears and lingering bitterness.

I didn’t mind the time travel aspect (beyond the logic issues with the Time Turners) especially as we had the chance to encounter some other characters from the books. Those cameos were a pleasant surprise, with the exception of Umbridge. 😛

It may be pandering to nostalgia and fans (hence the accusation that the play is too much like fan fiction), but admittedly I fell for it. 🙂 I just wish there was more Hagrid!
I think part of the problem was the format. It’s a play, it’s meant to be performed, not read like a novel.
I agree…this is best experienced as a play. There are certain scenes that would be interesting to see in person, e.g. the living bookcase that eats people, the Dementors rising from the audience, the wand duels. Those who have actually seen the play have a more positive opinion of it, and that may be due to the production value and special effects. I would like to see it performed.
 
Reading the book now but only on page 140. I find it a little harder to read as a play and forgetting some of the charactors names (minor ones) has made is a bit confusing at times but still an enjoyable read. Definitely a fun light read not to be taken too seriously though.👍
 
Also, the way it depicts Time Turning is at odds to how it is portrayed in Prisoner of Azkaban. If you use a Time Turner to go back in time, you have to live through that time again. Time Turners don’t bring someone back to the present. So even though these Time Turners are able to go back years instead of merely an hour, the script doesn’t explain why the time traveller is able to return to the present almost instantly.
Oh man I have such nerdy thoughts when it comes to this plot point that I almost am embarrassed to share them. But what the heck, that’s what this thread is for after all. 🤓

In Prisoner of Azkaban, it’s made pretty clear that time turners can’t actually be used to change the future or create alternate realities. Instead they create paradoxes (Harry is saved by himself from the Dementors, which then allows him to go back in time and save himself etc…) Basically, everything that could happen has already happened. So if Albus and Scorpio really went back in time, during the original Goblet of Fire they would have already been there, and since Cedric died anyways, that meant they never succeeded, so the whole plot is kind of pointless given the rules of time travel previously established.

(Aaaand this is why Rowling destroyed all the time turners in Order of the Phoenix :p)

But I agree that the one good thing about the time travel aspect is it let us revisit some old characters. I liked that. And the plot itself wasn’t bad, just felt a little more Back To The Future than Harry Potter to me.
The major issue to me though is the idea of Voldemort and Bellatrix having a daughter. Voldemort believed himself to be immortal due to the Horcruxes, so I can’t see him finding it necessary to produce an heir. Plus Voldemort seemed more…wraith-like to me than actually human. The idea of someone, even someone as fanatically devoted to Voldemort as Bellatrix, sleeping with him just seems…odd. I didn’t mind Delphi as a villain per se, or her character and motivations. Her origins are just too contrived as Robyn p pointed out.
Yeah it’s pretty gross to think about. I mean, I SUPPOSE he could have magically impregnated her, but then you have to ask…why would he feel the need to do that if he was immortal?? It just doesn’t make sense. It’d be like if Star Wars Episode VII told us Emperor Palpatine had a secret kid. Yuck.
 
Oh man I have such nerdy thoughts when it comes to this plot point that I almost am embarrassed to share them. But what the heck, that’s what this thread is for after all. 🤓
Haha, no worries at all. Nerds unite! 🤓
In Prisoner of Azkaban, it’s made pretty clear that time turners can’t actually be used to change the future or create alternate realities. Instead they create paradoxes (Harry is saved by himself from the Dementors, which then allows him to go back in time and save himself etc…) Basically, everything that could happen has already happened. So if Albus and Scorpio really went back in time, during the original Goblet of Fire they would have already been there, and since Cedric died anyways, that meant they never succeeded, so the whole plot is kind of pointless given the rules of time travel previously established.

(Aaaand this is why Rowling destroyed all the time turners in Order of the Phoenix :p)
Yes, very true! There can be so many potential plot holes and inconsistencies caused by introducing time travel to a story. I’m sure that’s why Rowling kept herself limited to time paradoxes and closed time loops as opposed to alternate realities.

Recently, Rowling released three new ebooks which delved a bit further into Hogwarts’ history, the magical devices used in the books, and the backstories of some of her characters. She has a short section on Time Turners, and there she describes their use as they were originally intended.

She even states that those who time travel over a great distance never survive their journeys. Rowling describes one witch who travelled five centuries into the past, and got trapped there for a few days. When she somehow returned to the present, she had aged five centuries and died shortly after. Why, then, didn’t Albus, Scorpius, and the other characters age twenty or so years after their time travels?

Actually, speaking of nerdy musings, I’ve always wondered what happens to the souls that get sucked out by the Dementors. Are they just consumed, and the victim has no afterlife at all? If so, that was a horribly grim fate for Ron, Hermione, and Snape in that one, post-apocalyptic version of reality. :eek:

Of course, that reality ceased to exist shortly after, but it’s still somewhat disturbing to think about. One moment their souls are eaten by the Dementors, and in the next moment they are restored (or in Snape’s case, gone back to the afterlife). It’s mindboggling to think about. :hypno:

Of course I’m probably overthinking it. 😃
Yeah it’s pretty gross to think about. I mean, I SUPPOSE he could have magically impregnated her, but then you have to ask…why would he feel the need to do that if he was immortal?? It just doesn’t make sense. It’d be like if Star Wars Episode VII told us Emperor Palpatine had a secret kid. Yuck.
Yuck pretty much sums it up. 😛
 
Haha, no worries at all. Nerds unite! 🤓

Yes, very true! There can be so many potential plot holes and inconsistencies caused by introducing time travel to a story. I’m sure that’s why Rowling kept herself limited to time paradoxes and closed time loops as opposed to alternate realities.

Recently, Rowling released three new ebooks which delved a bit further into Hogwarts’ history, the magical devices used in the books, and the backstories of some of her characters. She has a short section on Time Turners, and there she describes their use as they were originally intended.

She even states that those who time travel over a great distance never survive their journeys. Rowling describes one witch who travelled five centuries into the past, and got trapped there for a few days.** When she somehow returned to the present, she had aged five centuries and died shortly after. **Why, then, didn’t Albus, Scorpius, and the other characters age twenty or so years after their time travels?
Wow, I didn’t know that. That makes me wonder how much (name removed by moderator)ut she actually had on the plot of the play. I mean, that’s quite a large contradiction.

Dang it people, I need my fictional magic and time travel rules to be consistent! 😛
Actually, speaking of nerdy musings, I’ve always wondered what happens to the souls that get sucked out by the Dementors. Are they just consumed, and the victim has no afterlife at all? If so, that was a horribly grim fate for Ron, Hermione, and Snape in that one, post-apocalyptic version of reality. :eek:
Just for fun, I looked up the part of PoA that talks about what happens when a dementor kisses you, and here’s what it said:

*Harry accidentally spat out a bit of butterbeer.

“What — they kill — ?”

“Oh no,” said Lupin. "Much worse than that. You can exist without your soul, you know, as long as your brain and heart are still working. But you’ll have no sense of self anymore, no memory, no . . . anything. There’s no chance at all of recovery. You’ll just — exist. As an empty shell. And your soul is gone forever . . . lost."*

So to me that sounds like their soul was completely consumed, which like you said is a horrible, horrible fate and which is why dementors scared the bejeebies out of me as a kid when I first read the books. :bigyikes:

Side note: I wonder what would have happened if Voldemort met a Dementor then…
Of course I’m probably overthinking it. 😃
Hey, overthinking things is what we nerds do best! 👍
 
Wow, I didn’t know that. That makes me wonder how much (name removed by moderator)ut she actually had on the plot of the play. I mean, that’s quite a large contradiction.
That’s what I’m starting to wonder too. I mean, presumably Rowling would have at least read through the script before attaching her name to it.

There are other odd details which contradict her earlier statements. For example, she once said in an interview that Harry and Draco could never be friends due to their past dealings with each other. But in the *Cursed Child *script, it says this:

Draco looks up at Harry, and for the first time–at the bottom of this dreadful pit–they look at each other as friends.

Now I don’t mind that change myself. I’m glad that Harry and Draco reconciled, and I think it showed how much they had matured since their days at Hogwarts. Oh well, I suppose it’s just another one of those odd contradictions…
So to me that sounds like their soul was completely consumed, which like you said is a horrible, horrible fate and which is why dementors scared the bejeebies out of me as a kid when I first read the books. :bigyikes:

Side note: I wonder what would have happened if Voldemort met a Dementor then…
So it was as bad as I thought then. :eek: Well then, I’m glad that Scorpius successfully prevented the existence of that reality.

I’m not sure what would happen if Voldemort met a Dementor. They feed on fear and despair, which Voldemort spreads wherever he goes. So it makes sense that they are attracted to his cause. However, Voldemort cannot produce a Patronus, and he did show fear when he realised that Harry was destroying his Horcruxes. You would think then that even he would be vulnerable to them, especially if there are hundreds of them swarming around.

At any rate, it’s hard to say which would be a worse fate for Voldemort’s soul…to have what remains of it being consumed by a Dementor, or to have it exist forever in that state of painful limbo (as Harry saw it in that King’s Cross/limbo place).
Dang it people, I need my fictional magic and time travel rules to be consistent! 😛
I know, right?? I mean, is that so hard? :tsktsk:

By the way, if you are at all interested in those ebooks, you can find them on Amazon:
amazon.com/gp/product/B01L9ZV9UE/ref=series_rw_dp_sw

The ebook that featured that particular article on Time Turners was in Hogwarts: An Incomplete and Unreliable Guide.
 
That’s what I’m starting to wonder too. I mean, presumably Rowling would have at least read through the script before attaching her name to it.

There are other odd details which contradict her earlier statements. For example, she once said in an interview that Harry and Draco could never be friends due to their past dealings with each other. But in the *Cursed Child *script, it says this:

Draco looks up at Harry, and for the first time–at the bottom of this dreadful pit–they look at each other as friends.

Now I don’t mind that change myself. I’m glad that Harry and Draco reconciled, and I think it showed how much they had matured since their days at Hogwarts. Oh well, I suppose it’s just another one of those odd contradictions…
Yeah, I don’t it mind either. Actually I rather liked that part. I never hated Draco. He was a snob, and a coward, but he wasn’t evil.

And if you just go from the books alone, I don’t see why they could never have become friends.
I know, right?? I mean, is that so hard? :tsktsk:
By the way, if you are at all interested in those ebooks, you can find them on Amazon:
amazon.com/gp/product/B01L9ZV9UE/ref=series_rw_dp_sw
The ebook that featured that particular article on Time Turners was in Hogwarts: An Incomplete and Unreliable Guide.
Cool thanks! I’ll check those out!
 
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