Harry Potter. Sin or no?

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What i lacked in the texts i gained from the movies which is more than enough to form a valid definition of the trilogies.

occult fiction
 
Lovinglight said:
“Occult fiction. Definition. Used for works dealing with witchcraft, spiritualism, psychic phenomena, voodooism, etc., and for works dealing with the mysterious or secret knowledge and power supposedly attainable only through these and other magical or supernatural means.”
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You do understand, I trust, that in Tolkien’s mythos, beings like Sauron and Gandalf are angels (well, strictly speaking, Sauron would be a fallen angel), and that in fact Tolkien considered his mythos a “Catholic” work. The good guys, including the Valar, were all monotheists.
 
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Lovinglight:
“Occult fiction. Definition. Used for works dealing with witchcraft, spiritualism, psychic phenomena, voodooism, etc., and for works dealing with the mysterious or secret knowledge and power supposedly attainable only through these and other magical or supernatural means.”
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You do understand, I trust, that in Tolkien’s mythos, beings like Sauron and Gandalf are angels (well, strictly speaking, Sauron would be a fallen angel), and that in fact Tolkien considered his mythos a “Catholic” work. The good guys, including the Valar, were all monotheists.
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Its all occult nonsense. Who even cares!
 
Kei said:
What makes a spell real is that it is actually effectual.

A spell that is effectual is one that presumably uses præternatural forces to do things. This would mean demonic forces.

So, if there is a spell or what not that takes advantage of præternatural forces, then it is real.
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So, Jo Rowling managed to created “actual” working spells from bits of Latin? Who made these work? Why doesn’t Accio work for me? Is it the same reason I can’t fly on a broom, maybe? The reason the spells work in HP is because the wizards and witches are born with it. On a rare occasion a child born into a magical family won’t have magical ability no matter how hard they try. That is why this isn’t occult and why the spells aren’t real to anyone outside of the HP universe
 
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niceatheist:
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Lovinglight:
“Occult fiction. Definition. Used for works dealing with witchcraft, spiritualism, psychic phenomena, voodooism, etc., and for works dealing with the mysterious or secret knowledge and power supposedly attainable only through these and other magical or supernatural means.”
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You do understand, I trust, that in Tolkien’s mythos, beings like Sauron and Gandalf are angels (well, strictly speaking, Sauron would be a fallen angel), and that in fact Tolkien considered his mythos a “Catholic” work. The good guys, including the Valar, were all monotheists.
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Its all occult nonsense. Who even cares!
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A good many people, judging by book sales. But as I suspected, you know nothing about the topic (and no, going by the LotR movies is not a suitable introduction). I will, however, leave you to the security of your ignorance on the topic at hand. I don’t think there’s anything to gained as you gleefully insult a beloved writer who it appears you’ve never even read.
 
I don’t really have much of a reason to debate this topic since I’ve only read one HP book and never read any of the LOTR books. I’ve never watched any of the movies either except maybe three minutes of a HP movie. Fantasy and science fiction aren’t my cuppa.
OTOH, I can see why millions of people were addicted to the series. I think JKR has a great talent and wonderful imagination.

I do think the HP books are a bit occultish, probably not in the way Fr. Whatshisname was saying, but they DO deal with witchcraft.
 
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The fact you have tried to use these spells is proof enough that you shouldn’t read Harry Potter.
 
They don’t. Really. It is a fictional world where some people are born with magical ability. Kind of like being born with a rare mutation that gives a person a talent. They go to a school to learn how to control this natural ability, making the magical and non-magical worlds safer from wild magic.
 
I know, I read one of them to see what all the fuss was about. Maybe I needed to read another one to understand, but like I said, fantasy and sci-fi aren’t my thing.
 
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🤣 Oh, my. You can’t be Sirius! Because…as much as I hate to admit it… I’m a muggle. I don’t have magical ability and Accio only works if someone in the same room as me gets tired of me repeating “Accio pen!” and retrieves said pen and hands it to me. /*
 
I can’t figure out if they quit reading at book 3, don’t know what a trilogy is, or are just repeating what some priest said.
 
And that’s a problem.

Like you said, fantasy fiction isn’t your cup of tea so unless it’s really important to you to defend your position I’m not sure reading it (again?) is worth it. I would love to be able to speak with first-hand knowledge about the 50 shades books and the abusive relationship but I won’t waste my time on poor writing and ignorance of a sub-culture. I haven’t read Twilight on principal. It’s a disadvantage, but oh well. 🤷‍♀️
 
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LOL, I haven’t read 50 Shades of Grey, or Twilight, either.
The former because it’s smut, from what I’ve heard (yes, from what I’ve heard, not personally experienced), and Twilight because they strike me as being more for the young adult crowd.

Speaking of smut, I did read half of Heart Shaped Box by Joe Hill, based on all the people who loved it, and it was so smutty, I dropped it on the floor next to my bed, and got rid of it.

I prefer to read cozy mysteries.
 
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Hope1960 said:
LOL, I haven’t read 50 Shades of Grey, or Twilight, either.
The former because it’s smut, from what I’ve heard (yes, from what I’ve heard, not personally experienced),
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I had the deep misfortune of watching the film (well, to be honest, I spent much of the time surfing my phone in my jacket), and was informed that much of the dialogue was lifted from the book. So I can inform you that not only was it smut, but it sounded like smut written by a 14 year old. If you’re going to make smut, at least put some effort into it.
 
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