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So yeah, I’ve heard a lot of people bashing Harry Potter for a wide variety of reasons, but when a friend finally convinced me to read it for myself, I couldn’t find anything wrong with it. I actually enjoyed it quite a bit. Anybody want to explain why they think it’s wrong? I’ve heard a bunch of reasons, but none of them seem to make much sense… generally they sound uninformed. “Judging the book by it’s cover”, so to speak. Thoughts?
 
You may want to do a thread search, there were several with a lot of commentary from both pro/anti HP perspectives.
 
The vast majority of anti Harry Potter folks have NEVER READ THE BOOKS!

The books are full of basic Christian principles, good triumphs over evil and they are essentially an old fashioned morality story. It STRONGLY promotes family life, love, being good to others, etc.

Some people get turned off because of the “witchcraft” aspect. Yet they love C.S. Lewis, who ALSO used witchcraft as a vehicle for his story telling.

I spoke with a Priest recently who was telling people from the pulpit not to read those books or to see the movies. I asked him if he had ever actually read any of the books, or seen any of the movies. He responded that he had not, and that he never would, because of the recommendations he had read.

I asked him if the people that recommended against those stories had actually read the books? He didn’t know. He just respected their opinions, so he automatically believed what they said. When I informed him that our Bishop recommends those books, he was amazed. he checked this out, discovered it is true, and asked me to lend him the books.

He read the first two, and was simply amazed at just how moral they really are.

This is the way that ignorance spreads. People that haven;t read something are strongly against it, without knowing anything about what it really is all about.
 
If you’re sensible enough to tell fact from fiction and know that it is just a story then it’s harmless.
 
Children and Harry Potter and like children and guns.

Training a young person to safely and responsibly use a gun CAN be a perfectly good, wholesome and bonding experience. Or it can be idiotically stupid parenting.

Same for handing over fiction in which the hero manipulates powers of the supernatural world to achieve his goals. You gotta know your kid and evaluate it for yourself. One size doesn’t fit all. I loved 'em myself and eventually my kids will read them too. But not until I’m VERY sure they’re ready.
 
Ohhhhhh another one of THESE threads!!!

To answer your question those that have an issue with the books see words like “magic” “witch” and “wizard” and immediately need clean shorts. The fact of the matter is there is nothing wrong with these books and anyone who thinks bad of them can not present one logical argument as to how they are.

As for children… if a child is lead down a wrong path by a work of fiction that’s the result of poor… no… STUPID parenting.
 
The vast majority of anti Harry Potter folks have NEVER READ THE BOOKS!
Not to mention the most virulent ones will put you on their ignore list when you hammer them with logic long enough. It’s like the typical tactic of covering your ears and shouting everyone else out. Very childish. -.-
Ohhhhhh another one of THESE threads!!!
Since Jharek’s not gonna be around here much anymore (and is currently unconscious at the sight of another one of these threads), I’m going to be the one saying these wise words for him from now on:

“Oh dear…”
Expeleramus!!!😃
Stop, stop, stop!
You’re going to blow someone’s head off.

It’s Expelliarmus, not Expeleramus. 😛
 
Well some of us who have read the books (all 7) and aren’t really that impressed by the overall writing and messages have no problem with the ‘witchcraft’ aspect (I personally thought that Hogwarts the school was the best done part of the whole series). We see the themes are certainly not overtly anti-Christian. We see examples of positive teaching. We see some excellent characterizations. (In fact the character whose development I enjoyed most was that of Neville who went from ‘wimp’ to hero over the 7 books).

However, a lot of the material, particularly in the longer books, was sloppy. (the ages of the older Weasleys for example should have been much greater than JK later made them to be. However, she didn’t like ‘maths’ and so she just let errors stand.

Nobody expects ‘perfection’ in a book, let alone a series, but there is a difference between things which just slip by (typos) and things which should have been caught. JK herself complained that she was ‘pushed’ too quickly and did not have the ‘time’ to go over her work, especially in editions outside of Brittain. I understand that, but the errors could have been corrected in subsequent editions and never were.

Finally, a lot of the supposed ‘good teaching’ is skewed. For example, Hermione, Harry and Ron bond in book 1 when Hermione LIES (in order to ‘save’ the boys from possible expulsion). The whole foundation of the ‘trilogy’ is based on a lie, not even a lie to peers, but a lie TO ADULTS.

Imagine how much more powerful the friendship could have been had the boys told the truth. . .“we had upset Hermione earlier and we heard she was in the bathroom crying. Since we had been the ones who hurt her, we wanted to apologise in person, and that was what we were thinking of. Now we realize that in leaving the group without saying anything, we were putting everybody in danger which was irresponsible of us. Hermione is innocent of anything but we, Ron and Harry, were only focused on trying to right our wrong. We’re sorry. We have learned our lesson and we will accept the consequences that you see fit.”

Since we later find out in book 3 that Harry is so danged important that even after he actually does wrong in using a spell outside of school time (and should be automatically expelled for), he gets a ‘free pass’ by the Ministry itself!-- Harry and Ron’s ‘confession’ in book 1 would not have met with ‘expulsion’ but rather with some kind of detention or point loss (as indeed later happened for another infarction!). Instead of the boys getting away with wrong, and Hermione actually taking a rap for something she didn’t do, we would have had a friendship built on taking of responsibility and on forgiveness.

That’s just one example of some morally ‘skewed’ plot lines presented as a ‘good thing’.

Personally I don’t mind if people read the series, enjoy the series, etc. and as I said, there are some examples of good moral teachings in there. There really are. And as I said, I loved the Hogwarts scenes. But for me personally, I just find too much of the ‘relative’ mindset. So I’m certainly not a ‘fan’. . but I’m not a ‘hater’ either.
 
Not to mention the most virulent ones will put you on their ignore list when you hammer them with logic long enough. It’s like the typical tactic of covering your ears and shouting everyone else out. Very childish. -.-

Since Jharek’s not gonna be around here much anymore (and is currently unconscious at the sight of another one of these threads), I’m going to be the one saying these wise words for him from now on:

“Oh dear…”
I didn’t want to hurt anyone!

Stop, stop, stop!
You’re going to blow someone’s head off.

It’s Expelliarmus, not Expeleramus. 😛
 
Jharek’s still here, thank goodness.

And even though I’m not a fan (or a hater) I still have to say that the Hogwarts scenes were the highlight of the books for me. Really well done. I wish that instead of the actual series she had just written about the school! Personally, I’d love to read “Hogwarts, a History!”
 
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