Harry Potter?

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twf said:
Wizards also have saints if you remember the magical hospital’s name…
Then there’s the fat friar! Presumably he’s still undergoing his purgatory - or he’s already a saint and God let him stick around to help out his fellow Hufflepuffs!
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Ghosts are intriguing in Harry Potter. In it, ordinary human beings cannot become ghosts, only wizards who are so afraid of death that they choose to remain in that form rather than go on, although there is nothing for them to enjoy in human life anymore.

One wonders what ultimately becomes of Moaning Myrtle, Nearly Headless Nick etc. Does ghosthood become their Purgatory? Or is it final for them?

Do ghosts become the prey of dementors? Remember, they suck the soul from living human beings. One would think the ghost an easier prey, with no solid body in the way.

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Sarcelle said:
I have read the books and I did not see anything demonic about them. In fact, I find them quite charming.
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I feel the same. There is nothing demonic about them.

The spells are not real. I can’t say ‘accio’ and have my hairbrush fly towards me, can I?

Some people may have been influenced negatively by these books. That doesn’t mean they are dangerous - in fact, I would argue that when you start to believe any kind of fantasy is real, you should disengage. IMO, books such as Twilight, which portray controlling behaviour in a positive light is much more dangerous for young, impressionable people reading them. Wizards and witchcraft are not real, and as it has been shown in this thread, there are many Christian metaphors and links which are impossible to miss. This has been done deliberately, of course.

The ghosts have chosen to be ghosts because they were afraid of death. Those who chose death, such as Harry’s mother, and Harry’s godfather are shown to have done so because they were not afraid of sacrificing themselves for others, and were brave about facing what comes after death. In fact, the inscription of the gravestone of Harry’s parents is “the last enemy that shall be destroyed is death”.

I, for one, have learnt so much about love, friendship and strength from these books.

Lou
 
Ever considered that the demons might be lying?
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We always do need to consider that.

I do recall that when seemingly everybody was up in arms over Harry Potter, the atheistic **Golden Compass **series sailed serenely under the radar.

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GEddie said:
We always do need to consider that.

I do recall that when seemingly everybody was up in arms over Harry Potter, the atheistic **Golden Compass **series sailed serenely under the radar.

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Yep, the blatantly anti-Catholic, atheistic Golden Compass slides in as all the fury of the religious right is directed at the blatantly Christian-influenced Potter series.

Again, as detailed in my earlier posts on this thread, the number one argument that the “anti” crowd brings against Harry Potter, including the exorcists who have allegedly condemned it, is that HP promotes ordinary kids picking up the occult and obtaining preternatural powers…when in reality, for anyone who has read them, the exact opposite is true. It is absolutely central to the plot that ordinary kids cannot obtain magical powers. Only those born wizards, with wizard ancestry, have this innate, natural power. The magic of the Potter wizards is more akin to the magic of elves than the occult… its innate, natural, and internal.
 
I too am glad the films failed.

I disagree with you on one point though: I wouldn’t gift the GC books to anybody.

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Yes. But as the priest says in the link that I provided within the Rite of Exorcism, there is the point that the priest demands the name of the demon and it’s reason for being there. The demon must give the real answer because it is Jesus acting through the priest that demands it. This is a faculty that Jesus has handed down to these priests through the ministry of His church. He gave this power to His apostles and showed it Himself when He casts out demons in Scripture. This is not magic, it’s our Faith.

This is why when the demon tells the priest that he is there due to the books the reader was influenced by, the priest recommends we stay away from it. Whether or not the victim’s demonic influence began or ended with the Potter series, is not my concern. It’s probably not the only influence that the victim has had in their life.

We all have free will. I certainly don’t need more help in falling.
 
Kelfa28 said:
It was the kids early on.

They cast both Rupert Grint and Emma Watson in main roles with almost zero acting experience. Nothing beyond school plays.

I think Daniele Radcliffe had acted in tv shows and commercials.

Emma was actually pretty good but it was clear Rupert needed a lot of work.

I don’t think the kids started figuring out how they needed to look on camera and how to portray the characters until the third movie.
Once the third movie came out they got better and better at it.

With the books…I think the best written book was the third one. I think you got the most bang for your buck in terms of story and character development.
It’s the most fun to read, it fleshes out the best and most interesting characters, it has one of the best plot twists I’ve ever seen and it’s to the point and not the door stoppers that the later books were.
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I read all the books and thought them more interesting than the movies, except the last movie. I thought too there was an interesting slant on persecuting the Muggles! Did anyone think that this was very similiar to the Nazi propaganda and persecution of the Jews?
 
chopstocky said:
Yes. But as the priest says in the link that I provided within the Rite of Exorcism, there is the point that the priest demands the name of the demon and it’s reason for being there. The demon must give the real answer because it is Jesus acting through the priest that demands it. This is a faculty that Jesus has handed down to these priests through the ministry of His church. He gave this power to His apostles and showed it Himself when He casts out demons in Scripture. This is not magic, it’s our Faith.

This is why when the demon tells the priest that he is there due to the books the reader was influenced by, the priest recommends we stay away from it. Whether or not the victim’s demonic influence began or ended with the Potter series, is not my concern. It’s probably not the only influence that the victim has had in their life.

We all have free will. I certainly don’t need more help in falling.
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I remember, a few years ago, reading about a young high school boy that started out innocently doing a paper for school on World Religions and he decided to do it on Satanism. His dad took him to the library for books to research. He eventually got caught up in all that evil and the Dad came home from work one evening and found that the boy had killed his mother and sister in some kind of ritual thing. What we read and see can and does have an influence on our mind. Sometimes tragically. Especially a young mind.
God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
I remember, a few years ago, reading about a young high school boy that started out innocently doing a paper for school on World Religions and he decided to do it on Satanism. His dad took him to the library for books to research. He eventually got caught up in all that evil and the Dad came home from work one evening and found that the boy had killed his mother and sister in some kind of ritual thing. What we read and see can and does have an influence on our mind. Sometimes tragically. Especially a young mind.
God Bless, Memaw
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Meh, I read the books and owned the books and actually converted to Catholicism.

I find that story highly suspect to begin with and seriously, seriously doubt reading some books for a project is the driving influence behind the death of his family members.

I think common sense comes into play here quite a bit. I plan on reading my children Harry Potter as well as a number of other books.

I plan on raising them Catholic too.

I’m comfortable with my children and there abilities to interpret reason and seeing a story for what it is…a story meant to be fun and interesting.

I’m not afraid it will damage them. I think they will enjoy it.

They aren’t raised in a home that lives Harry Potter. We do, however, live our faith every day and are heavily influenced by our faith with everything we do. I think that will play a tremendous part in their lives and not reading a fun book once or twice in their lives.

Ypu might think it does…but I believe in reason and am certainly willing to take that chance just as much as I’m willing to get in my car to drive to Church this morning.
 
Exactly. I’m wondering the same thing too.

I wonder how accurate it actually is and if I could go to Snopes and debunk it immediately.

Those kind of stories are more likely to be of urban legend status then actually true.
 
The spells are not real. I can’t say ‘accio’ and have my hairbrush fly towards me, can I?
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That’s because you’re a Muggle :)🙂

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Memaw said:
I remember, a few years ago, reading about a young high school boy that started out innocently doing a paper for school on World Religions and he decided to do it on Satanism. His dad took him to the library for books to research. He eventually got caught up in all that evil and the Dad came home from work one evening and found that the boy had killed his mother and sister in some kind of ritual thing. What we read and see can and does have an influence on our mind. Sometimes tragically. Especially a young mind.
God Bless, Memaw
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Can I have a link to this story please.

I read the books up to the third and my mother read them to me sometimes. I started listening to them on tape eventually as it was hard for me to read back then. I loved them and I felt I could relate to Harry Potter in some ways I guess. Those books made me happy and they still do today.
 
It was in our local paper and on the news. What that young boy read had a powerful influence on him and started his path to a tragic end. There is sooo much interest today in the occult and matters relating to it that I worry about the influence all this has on the minds of our young people. Our society is running headlong into disaster. It harms our children, (and adults) with drugs, sex, pornography, abortion, entertainment, greed, etc., etc. Who knows where it will end or how. I only wish more adults would see that and do all they can to help our children, our future and theirs, go in a better direction. Kids are very impressionable. Years ago a child could see a movie, such as Snow White, maybe just once and or read the book (and came away knowing the witch was bad!) But it wasn’t drilled into their heads with VCRs,(now DVDs), (that they could watch many times in one day even,) and one series after another. And in the meantime the author gets very wealthy at the cost of our children’s minds! God Bless, Memaw.
 
Kelfa28 said:
Meh, I read the books and owned the books and actually converted to Catholicism.

I find that story highly suspect to begin with and seriously, seriously doubt reading some books for a project is the driving influence behind the death of his family members.

I think common sense comes into play here quite a bit. I plan on reading my children Harry Potter as well as a number of other books.

I plan on raising them Catholic too.

I’m comfortable with my children and there abilities to interpret reason and seeing a story for what it is…a story meant to be fun and interesting.

I’m not afraid it will damage them. I think they will enjoy it.

They aren’t raised in a home that lives Harry Potter. We do, however, live our faith every day and are heavily influenced by our faith with everything we do. I think that will play a tremendous part in their lives and not reading a fun book once or twice in their lives.

Ypu might think it does…but I believe in reason and am certainly willing to take that chance just as much as I’m willing to get in my car to drive to Church this morning.
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YOU find it highly suspect but I doubt that boy’s father did when he found the bodies of his wife and daughter. You may not remember reading about it but I do. So many kids don’t read Harry Potter just once or twice in their lives. Why do you think they keep putting out more books and movies?? Because the young soak them up!!! I am using common sense and good reason! God Bless, Memaw
 
Memaw said:
YOU find it highly suspect but I doubt that boy’s father did when he found the bodies of his wife and daughter. You may not remember reading about it but I do. So many kids don’t read Harry Potter just once or twice in their lives. Why do you think they keep putting out more books and movies?? Because the young soak them up!!! I am using common sense and good reason! God Bless, Memaw
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Everyone feels differently about the subject. I’ve read the books and I understand their content and the story they tell. I feel completely comfortable reading them to my children.

Besides…you haven’t given any reference or link to the news story you claimed to have seen/heard.

It isn’t wise to reference stories that don’t exist or you heard about through a third party.

If you read about it…find it so we can read about it too.

I highly, highly doubt it happened.

Stories like that are meant to instill a truly false sense of fear in order to teach a moral lesson.

If you can’t reference it then you shouldn’t be claiming it to be true and using it to lecture the people who have read Harry Potter and plan to read it to our children.

A story like that…one that includes a murder of several family members over something controversial like the content of books or video games would make headlines across the nation and at least at a regional level.

It shouldn’t be too hard to find and create a link for.
 
Oh yes I have. Read my past posts. What a child reads can have a strong influences on their mind. That happened many years ago , at least maybe 15 or 20 so you will have to look it up. Someone said Snopes, Go for it!!! God Bless, Memaw
 
people.com/people/archive/article/0,20095155,00.html

I did a few searches and this was the closet I could find.

The biggest issues I have with these stories are that the kids are fueled by drug use…which completely taints all rationality and would compromise any pure intentions.

The second issue I have with these stories is that they rarely are focused only the occult or use of Satanism itself.

Normally these kids live very troubled lives. Parents divorce, they are bullied in school, they move a lot and never are given a chance to fit in with friends or a sense of security in school.

They may be Christian but find little substance in their local Churches and are angry at God because their lives are so troubled and difficult.

Just like violent video games…books on Satanism or the Occult are almost never the sole reason why teens/young adults snap.

It certainly helps…but there are a massive list of other issues that would cause violent outbursts.
I would say 100% of these kids come from divorced families, were bullied at school and were into drugs.

Forget about Occultism…those issues alone and a long enough time line are more then enough to send a child over the edge and do something drastic.
 
Memaw said:
Oh yes I have. Read my past posts. What a child reads can have a strong influences on their mind. That happened many years ago , at least maybe 15 or 20 so you will have to look it up. Someone said Snopes, Go for it!!! God Bless, Memaw
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Snopes is a debunking site that does research and proves stories to be just urban legends and totally false.

It’s been around for 15-20 years.
 
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