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ThornGenX
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I think it has killed many of the people who could be paying into the system right now.
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buffalo
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Tyler Smedley:
Go Tyler! We need every young person like you to write to the Congress. Let them know your age and what you think of their killing off your generation.
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caroljm36
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Tyler Smedley:
You bet, right on. And they tell us God doesn’t really punish us for our sins. Yeah right…call it karma or whatever you like, but what goes around comes around.
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Tlaloc
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Yeah he’s just gotten really* subtle* about it. In the old days he’d turn someone into a pillar of salt or rain down brimstone. Now of course he authors complicated economic strategies to reign terrible destruction upon senior’s incomes.
Muahahahahahaha!
Could we for a moment agree that not every poor financial system is God punishing someone for something?
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Tyler_Smedley
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Hey people supported abortion, which decresed the number of workers (my generation) by 1/3 which decresed the funds by 1/3 which means that there are an un-even number of elderly (my grandparents) to young people because the middle generation (yours) aborted 1/3 of us away. ** 1/3** 45 million in the US alone! That is the size of california, wiped off the map because of “a womens right to choose”.
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Tlaloc
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Tyler Smedley:
Population can’t keep growing. It’ll get curtailed one way or another, no point blaming abortion or birth control if those happen to be the methods that get used.
You continue with the faulty logic that “SS would be fine if they only had enough people” instead of the correct logic “SS is poorly designed because it relies on an ever increasing population.”
Population can’t keep growing. It’ll get curtailed one way or another, no point blaming abortion or birth control if those happen to be the methods that get used.
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Tyler_Smedley
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So we are better off without one third of my generation is that what you are telling me? I personally think that its my generation so I will thank you to stop killing us! How do you know that social security won’t work? The population does increase, that is what happens! There are more adults, they have children which means that there are more of everyone! We are not running out of room! Come over to washington and I can show you huge areas that are untouched by humans that can support life where millions of people can live!
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Grace_and_Glory
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Just my thoughts about the social security crisis and abortion:
I think a lot of the problem that the social security crisis is the breakdown of the family. This breakdown both causes and is caused by abortion in a sort of vicious cycle. When the family was treated as the essential unit of society, families tended to look after each other because they were supported by the society. Parents worked hard to provide for their children, and the children would care for the parents when the parents retired. My aunt and uncle do this. My uncle’s mom lives with them, and they support and provide for her. Unfortunately, many families now could not support their retired members even if they wanted to, because society is no longer structured with the expectation that people will/should do so.
I think a lot of the problem that the social security crisis is the breakdown of the family. This breakdown both causes and is caused by abortion in a sort of vicious cycle. When the family was treated as the essential unit of society, families tended to look after each other because they were supported by the society. Parents worked hard to provide for their children, and the children would care for the parents when the parents retired. My aunt and uncle do this. My uncle’s mom lives with them, and they support and provide for her. Unfortunately, many families now could not support their retired members even if they wanted to, because society is no longer structured with the expectation that people will/should do so.
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Tlaloc
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Tyler Smedley:
If it were simply a matter of more room to plant more condos we’d be doing alright.
I suggest you read up on ecological footprints.
I couldn’t say. I certainly find evidence we are better off with the right to have an abortion.
Have you ever studied population dynamics? They don’t always grow, they can’t. Finite resources absolutely guarantees that unrestrained growth leads to boom and bust populations.
Oh indeed we are.
You’re kidding right? It’s not just where you live. It’s the huge amount of acreage required to grow all the food to sustain you. The huge amount of acreage to grow the trees for all the paper and wood products you’ll use in your life. The vast amounts of fossil fuels that will be burned to maintain our energy overhead.
If it were simply a matter of more room to plant more condos we’d be doing alright.
I suggest you read up on ecological footprints.
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Tyler_Smedley
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Accually I do know a thing or two about ecological footprints, and I would be willing to bet some serious money that mine is lower than yours by alot! And what you are condoning is just repulisive, you have yet to prove to anyone that abortion is making us better off at all! Furthermore, the population will grow as much as God sees fit to deposit upon our world. God is in charge not you and not me, God. And He does not support abortion!
Are you overcrowded where you live? Are there people dying in the streets? How large is your house? Maybe you should read up on the wastefulness of our society and start modifying your behavior patterns.
I find it sicking that you are more concerned with the space in which you have to live and less concerned with the 45 million children that have died.
Are you overcrowded where you live? Are there people dying in the streets? How large is your house? Maybe you should read up on the wastefulness of our society and start modifying your behavior patterns.
I find it sicking that you are more concerned with the space in which you have to live and less concerned with the 45 million children that have died.
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Island_Oak
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Tyler Smedley:
The vast majority of abortions represent the uninended, unwanted outcome of sexual relations which almost always occur outside wedlock. More accurately they represent birth control failures–not the killing of those who were intentionally conceived. I would argue that if ABC and Ab were not available, there would have been no where near as many as 45 million additional people in the population.
It may seem like a difference without a distinction, but in the context of the Social Security debate in this thread, I simply don’t think you can legitimately argue there would be an additional 45 million paying into the system but for abortion.
Is it really accurate to claim that 1/3 of a generation that othewise would have been born has been eliminated by virtue of abortion? Absent the availability of abortion and birth control, would individuals have been tempted to engage as wantonly in sex outside of marriage and would that many children have ever been conceived?
The vast majority of abortions represent the uninended, unwanted outcome of sexual relations which almost always occur outside wedlock. More accurately they represent birth control failures–not the killing of those who were intentionally conceived. I would argue that if ABC and Ab were not available, there would have been no where near as many as 45 million additional people in the population.
It may seem like a difference without a distinction, but in the context of the Social Security debate in this thread, I simply don’t think you can legitimately argue there would be an additional 45 million paying into the system but for abortion.
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Tyler_Smedley
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All I know is that there have been 45 million children killed through abortion. You would expect that at least some of them have would have made it through and would now be paying social security.
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Tlaloc
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Tyler Smedley:
It’s foolish to make wagers when you have no way of knowing the outcome.
I never tried to prove that so it’s hardly surprising I “failed.”
God seems to have left the matter in our hands (or has brimstone rained down on any abortion clinics recently?). Doesn’t he help those that help themselves?
Certainly some die of exposure every year. That’s true almost everywhere in the US.
You assume I haven’t read up on it.
Funny I thought it was pretty gross that you object to abortion because it means less money in your social security account, but hey I guess we all have our push buttins right? Me I hate to see the human condition degraded by overpopulation until, like rats in a cage, we snap. You apparently care about the Bling-bling. To each their own.
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Tyler_Smedley
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Well do you live in a less then 100 square foot room with another person? In a complex with over 200 people? With no running water in the rooms? Do you drive? I don’t I walk everywhere.
Maybe you should attempt it in another thread, I thought that you alread had but prehaps not.
Have you seen the latest news reports, planned parenthood is out 35 million because of pro-life activists. I would call that some fire and brimstone. And that is a extremely theologically flawed outlook on God, in fact that line was used in the movie Troy.
And that is reason to kill children through abortion?
Have you? You could say some thing like I have read it or I haven’t instead of not really saying anything.
The human condition is not “like rats in a cage” come on! Where are you getting this? Where are people snapping? Where is your hope for the furture. In fact I think that I have found the difference between us. I have hope for the furture and you dont. Its that simple.
Funny how I am 19 and will not ever be drawing social security, so if I am so concerned with money then why would I support it at all? Why would I give to charity? Now who is assuming? “You Apparently care about the Bing Bing”, that was an imature comment, this coming from a teen-ager, shame on you.
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ASimpleSinner
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That is what the system has become. But that is not how it was designed.
What do I mean? Well when SS was developped it was almost laughably irrelevant to general population. With the average American life expetnecy at the time of its inception being 62, then it was NO PROBLEM to promise benifits. There was a ratio of something like 34 Americans UNDER 65 for every one OVER 65.
I used to think that would be like raising the retirement age to 81- two years past the life expectency. But more accurately, to achieve the same ratio of 34:1… Well I am not sure what demographic in the US is outnumbered 34 to 1…
BUT, it HAS evolved into a pyramid scheme.
A few years ago I was listening to an advocate of pro-natal tax plans on the radio. I regret I did not write down his name - maybe someone could help me with it?
AT any rate, this writer argued that the old tax-breaks for families represented a significantly GREATER benifit for families. Today the deductions allowed to families who are actually pro-creating are hardly significant.
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LeahInancsi
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Has anyone taken into consideration the large number of black people who die from hypertension who have paid into social security for 30-40 years, but die before their 65th birthday and never collect a penny of what they paid in?
Let’s also blame the health care system for allowing people to live longer and collecting more money than they contributed.
I voted NO!
Let’s also blame the health care system for allowing people to live longer and collecting more money than they contributed.
I voted NO!
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jc-servant
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Lower birth rates for any reason obviously mean fewer workers supporting more aging people. However, the real crisis in Social Security is money pouring out the door for the non-retirement programs. I had my eyes opened when I began working for the agency.
Many people do not even realize that there is a program called Supplemental Security Income that is supposed to support people who are disabled from all work for a period of 12 months or longer. Until the late 1990’s people could actually get paid under this program for their substance abuse problems which were considered a “disability.” This is a separate program from the Disability Insurance Benefits which require a person to actually have contributed from their earnings for a certain period of time to become eligible. It is a shame, but both of these programs are about to come under intense additional pressure when our Iraq war veterans start applying since we have so many with devastating permanent injuries who will not be able to support themselves or remain in the military.
The huge number of illegal aliens who got amnesty in the 1980’s and who had little to no education and only unskilled work experience are also now reaching the age where they qualify for benefits under these programs. It is pretty much inevitable if you do lots of hard labor that your body will not hold up as well as if you had more moderate work. There is even a special rule that allows people who don’t speak/read English to get benefits at an earlier age than someone with the same medical problems who is fluent in English and who is literate.
There is also the money pit of SSI for children who theoretically have no income that needs replacing. Instead of just paying for all medical costs and child care or other special needs of a disabled child, this program provides a check to the parents. There is a need to care for these children, but giving a straight cash payment means that the parent/guardian can waste the money on things other than the child’s actual needs.
Many people do not even realize that there is a program called Supplemental Security Income that is supposed to support people who are disabled from all work for a period of 12 months or longer. Until the late 1990’s people could actually get paid under this program for their substance abuse problems which were considered a “disability.” This is a separate program from the Disability Insurance Benefits which require a person to actually have contributed from their earnings for a certain period of time to become eligible. It is a shame, but both of these programs are about to come under intense additional pressure when our Iraq war veterans start applying since we have so many with devastating permanent injuries who will not be able to support themselves or remain in the military.
The huge number of illegal aliens who got amnesty in the 1980’s and who had little to no education and only unskilled work experience are also now reaching the age where they qualify for benefits under these programs. It is pretty much inevitable if you do lots of hard labor that your body will not hold up as well as if you had more moderate work. There is even a special rule that allows people who don’t speak/read English to get benefits at an earlier age than someone with the same medical problems who is fluent in English and who is literate.
There is also the money pit of SSI for children who theoretically have no income that needs replacing. Instead of just paying for all medical costs and child care or other special needs of a disabled child, this program provides a check to the parents. There is a need to care for these children, but giving a straight cash payment means that the parent/guardian can waste the money on things other than the child’s actual needs.
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Jennifer123
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I agree with you. Believe me, I’m not waving the flag advocating AB as a method of controlling the crime rate–just noting an outcome that is frequently associated with the post-Roe era.[/font**]
Sounds like a eugenics argument to me…which isn’t surprising coming from people who support Roe.
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Delphinus85
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I live in washington, good to hear of someone sticking up for us! We’re not all whack-jobs in the pacific northwest
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Holly3278
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The poll is closed now but I would have voted I don’t know. I really don’t know much about this topic.
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