Has any Pope stated that the Syro-Malabar rite is in communion with the Chair of Peter?

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The Syro-Malabar rite is not mentioned in CCC 1203:

1203 *The liturgical traditions or rites presently in use in the Church are the Latin (principally the Roman rite, but also the rites of certain local churches, such as the Ambrosian rite, or those of certain religious orders) and the Byzantine, Alexandrian or Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite and Chaldean rites. In “faithful obedience to tradition, the sacred Council declares that Holy Mother Church holds all lawfully recognized rites to be of equal right and dignity, and that she wishes to preserve them in the future and to foster them in every way.”*69

Do the leaders of this local church recognize the Chair of Peter? Are they in communion with Rome? Is the Christianity that St. Thomas the Apostle founded in “India” within the embrace of the Holy Catholic Church?
 
I believe and will have to confirm that it is considered a resention of the Syrian Rite, as far as Rite is concerned, even if it is a Suri Juris Church. In the same way the Ukranian, Greek, Russian, Ruthenian etc are all grouped as Byzantine in the Code.
 
Yes, it comes under the heading of “Syriac”

It’s just a variation of the word. “Syro-Malabar” is simply another way of saying “Syriac-Malabar.”

It is listed in the Catechism. Since there are several versions of “Syriac” the Syro-Malabar Church comes under the more general heading of Syriac.
 
atassina said:
The Syro-Malabar rite is not mentioned in CCC 1203:

1203 *The liturgical traditions or rites presently in use in the Church are the Latin (principally the Roman rite, but also the rites of certain local churches, such as the Ambrosian rite, or those of certain religious orders) and the Byzantine, Alexandrian or Coptic, Syriac, Armenian, Maronite and Chaldean rites. In “faithful obedience to tradition, the sacred Council declares that Holy Mother Church holds all lawfully recognized rites to be of equal right and dignity, and that she wishes to preserve them in the future and to foster them in every way.”*69

Do the leaders of this local church recognize the Chair of Peter? Are they in communion with Rome? Is the Christianity that St. Thomas the Apostle founded in “India” within the embrace of the Holy Catholic Church?
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Syro Malabar would most likely come under Chaldean, since the Chaldean Rite is often referred to as the East Syriac Rite in whole. Following this, notice how Syro Malankara is also not listed, it is most likely under Syriac which like Chaldean, is often used to group the entire West Syriac Rite.
 
Does this therefore mean that they are in communion with Rome?
 
Just as a clarification, it is churches, not rites that are in communion with each other. Sedevacantists use the Roman Rite, but they are definitely not in communion with the chair of Peter. Is the Byzantine Rite in communion with the chair of Peter? No, but the various Eastern Catholic Churches that use the Byzantine Rite are in communion with the chair of Peter. The Syro-Malabar Catholic Church is most assuredly in communion with the chair of Peter.
 
Thomas48 said:
Yes, the Syro Malabar Church has been in communion with Rome since 1599, one of the earliest Eastern Churches to re-commune.

Hooray, Hooray!! Frujumpirous joy!
Finally a clear and precise answer to my original question. I love clarity.
Thank you thank you Fr Thomas.

I have no other gift to make but thanks and thanks.

atassina
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Thanks Peter,
I have made the correction now. Before I did not know.The Syro-Malabar Church is in communion with Rome.
Does this mean you have cardinals who attend the papal conclaves and vote?
Is it possible that one of them could become pope?

I am not sure how all of this functions together.

My special interest here is that the Syro-Malabar Church is a direct descendant of one of the Apostles. It’s from you to St. Thomas to Jesus who is God. This also demonstrates to me why the local Church must come through an Apostle. How is it possible for all those centuries that the Syro-Malabar Church did not self-disintegrate? Answer: The Holy Spirit. Jesus prayed for our unity. The unity stands between us.

atassina
 
atassina said:
My special interest here is that the Syro-Malabar Church is a direct descendant of one of the Apostles. It’s from you to St. Thomas to Jesus who is God. This also demonstrates to me why the local Church must come through an Apostle. How is it possible for all those centuries that the Syro-Malabar Church did not self-disintegrate? Answer: The Holy Spirit. Jesus prayed for our unity. The unity stands between us.
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I cannot think about how this plays a role in determining one’s tastes for one church or another. All the Church and the local churches trace back to the Apostles. Rather, one should feel comfortable within his own rite.
 
atassina said:
Thanks Peter,
I have made the correction now. Before I did not know.The Syro-Malabar Church is in communion with Rome.
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👍

I don’t want to dramatize, but it is so, so, so common for posters on CAF to refer to Churches as “Rites”, in som cases willfully and some case just repeating what has been told to them by other posters. So it’s really nice to hear someone going against that trend. 🙂
 
AXO said:
I cannot think about how this plays a role in determining one’s tastes for one church or another. All the Church and the local churches trace back to the Apostles. Rather, one should feel comfortable within his own rite.
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Do the Protestant denominations (“Churches”) trace back to the Apostles? Please support you statement.
 
Kevin,
Thanks. It sure would be interesting and more catholic to see a Catholic Pope from the Syro-Malabar pope celebrate the Latin rite Sunday and then the Syro-Malabar rite on Monday. Imagine the holy shock and the scales falling off some eyes.

I used to be a lay missionary and I became even more catholic then. Because I realized that the Catholic Church was in every country, in every local Church in communion with Rome. The office of the Pope as manifested in the person of the Pope is what binds us together in Christ and in communion with all Christians throughout the world and in eternity.

atas
 
atassina said:
Do the Protestant denominations (“Churches”) trace back to the Apostles? Please support you statement.
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The statement by the earlier poster is true and accurate.
AXO said:
I cannot think about how this plays a role in determining one’s tastes for one church or another. All the Church and the local churches trace back to the Apostles. Rather, one should feel comfortable within his own rite.
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All Churches trace their origins back to the Apostles, because that is part of the definition of a Church.

Those ecclesial communities which do not have Apostolic origins are not (by definition) Churches.

A Protestant denomination is not a Church, and therefore does not apply to what the earlier poster wrote.
 
Fr David, you are clearly correct. I apologize to you. I am at fault for not paying attention to what AXO wrote.

AXO, I apologize to you for attempting to make a correction where none was needed. I should reread a post before I attempt to ask for a correction in language or thought. I am at fault. Please forgive me if I have offended you.

atassina
 
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