Has anyone attended the OF of the mass in Latin?

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I have not yet, but do notice some Latin mixed into the Novus Ordo Masses when I watch the Daily Mass on EWTN (mainly during the Liturgy of the Eucharist). I do find myself understanding it a bit more due to going to EF Masses, and reading the Mass booklets that contain the Latin and English translations.
 
Our Msgr said he actually prefers the OF to the EF because the EF has less of the message of salvation during consecration than the OF. I’m not sure exactly what that meant, or if I’m 100% correct in that. Something to the effect that the EF does not have “do this in remembrance of me”? Anyone have any insight on that?

—Wait…I think it was that he said the Eucharistic prayer (or the words at consecration…darn I can’t remember) was more sacrificial in the OF and he didn’t like the fact that there is not processional in the EF.

I still prefer the EF. 😉
I went to look this up, because it sounded strange that “in remembrance/memory of me” would not be in the Tridentine… but it is absolutely there:

HIS EST ENIM CALIX SANGUINIS MEI
NOVI ET AETERNI TESTAMENTI:
MYSTERIUM FIDEI: QUI PRO VIBIS ET PRO MULTIS
EFFUNDETUR IN REMISSONEM PECCATORUM.
Haec quotiescumque feceritis, in mei memoriam facietis.

THIS IS FOR CHALICE OF BLOOD MY
OF NEW AND ETERNAL TESTAMENT:
MYSTERY OF FAITH: WHICH FOR YOU AND FOR MANY
WILL BE SHED FOR REMISSION OF SINS.
These as often as you do, in my memory you will do.
 
I went to look this up, because it sounded strange that “in remembrance/memory of me” would not be in the Tridentine… but it is absolutely there:

HIS EST ENIM CALIX SANGUINIS MEI
NOVI ET AETERNI TESTAMENTI:
MYSTERIUM FIDEI: QUI PRO VIBIS ET PRO MULTIS
EFFUNDETUR IN REMISSONEM PECCATORUM.
Haec quotiescumque feceritis, in mei memoriam facietis.

THIS IS FOR CHALICE OF BLOOD MY
OF NEW AND ETERNAL TESTAMENT:
MYSTERY OF FAITH: WHICH FOR YOU AND FOR MANY
WILL BE SHED FOR REMISSION OF SINS.
These as often as you do, in my memory you will do.
You’re quite right, although the wording is different. The EF has “Haec quotiescumque feceritis, in mei memoriam facietis,” while the OF has “Hoc facite in meam commemorationem.” If memory serves, the change was made so that the formula would correspond more closely with Jesus’ words rather than a conflation of some of Paul’s remarks in 1 Corinthians.

What ahs should have pointed out is that the formula of the consecration of the bread in the EF lacks quod pro vobis tradetur, “which will be given up for you.”
 
I attended one latin mass, and I didn’t like it. I know many people think it’s beautiful, but I get more out of Mass when I can understand the priest. I’m not drawn to latin at all. Everyone’s different.
 
You’re quite right, although the wording is different. The EF has “Haec quotiescumque feceritis, in mei memoriam facietis,” while the OF has “Hoc facite in meam commemorationem.” If memory serves, the change was made so that the formula would correspond more closely with Jesus’ words rather than a conflation of some of Paul’s remarks in 1 Corinthians.

What ahs should have pointed out is that the formula of the consecration of the bread in the EF lacks quod pro vobis tradetur, “which will be given up for you.”
I appriciate you taking the time to respond. I agree with you on the first point.
Was “which will be given up for you” directly said by Jesus Christ?
 
What ahs should have pointed out is that the formula of the consecration of the bread in the EF lacks quod pro vobis tradetur, “which will be given up for you.”
Okay, that must have been what he meant. I apologize…I was not certain what exactly he was referring to when he said that (mentioned his preference for OF)…it was during a homily on Most Sacred Heart of Jesus and I was attempting to listen while disciplining a child. 😊
 
So is that actually a Latin OF?
Definitely, even though there are some parts in English. I have a local Latin OF which has readings and sermon in Polish. But even if you don’t know Polish, you can still respond with the rest of the congregation.
 
Definitely, even though there are some parts in English. I have a local Latin OF which has readings and sermon in Polish. But even if you don’t know Polish, you can still respond with the rest of the congregation.
It’s an awesome mass.
 
The OF Mass in Latin, celebrated ad orientam, is the “true sprit” of Vatican II.
 
yes, the latin NO was my “gateway drug” between the English NO and the TLM, which i attend now exclusively. it was also what kept me from converting to eastern Orthodoxy. The main diference, I find, between the Latin NO and the TLM is the fact that the first Reading, psalm, and second reading are all spoken in english [well the psalm is sung, but you get the idea]. for some reason, this for me is still so completely jarring, even if the whole rest of it is chanted and sung, even the Creed, that it seems lest restful and more rooted in time.
 
I think that the Traditional Catholics who simply prefer the Old Mass because of Latin, or because of vestments, or because of the priest’s “ad orientum” are either being nostalgic, seeking a more dignified environment for the Mass, or a combination of both.

However, I think you’ll find that at the core of the Traditional movement, the problem with the Ordinary Form is not the direction the priest faces, the vestments, the language, the candles, etc. etc.

The problem are the words themselves.

Remember that the Tridentine Mass in English is not the same as the Novus Ordo in English. Similarly, the Tridentine in Latin is not the same as the Novus Ordo in Latin.

The differences go beyond language and setting. While I am all for the traditional vestments, language, and “environment” that surrounds the Tridentine Liturgy, it is not those aspects which calls me to it.

I firmly believe that the Mass is a sacrifice, a ritual, an “action”.

The Mass should have in its words a sense of “happening” that something truly is taking place upon the altar. It is more than a collection of prayers, bible readings, and gestures surrounding the consecration. It is an ascending series of liturgical events and prayers that cumulates at the pinnacle moment of consecration, and then subsequently travels back down these steps until we finally receive the Eucharist itself, and are blessed and instructed to “Ite missa est” — “Go, this is the dismissal”

The Novus Ordo in Latin is still the Novus Ordo. And while I do believe it is completely valid, I also hold that there exists gaping holes in its content where centuries of tradition have been edited out.

That is the problem.
 
That is the problem.
Maybe the problem is that the Latin just doesn’t translate well into any English? The pre-Vatican II (Anglican) translation in the Missals received a lot of criticism as well. The words (hallowed, wherefore, vouchsafe, etc.) sounded good though even though no one understood them. Don’t forget those older translations were used in the transitional Mass in the 60’s and obviously failed as Catholics were leaving in droves.

If there’s any problem with the Latin, it’s the lack of exposure IMO.
 
Maybe the problem is that the Latin just doesn’t translate well into any English? The pre-Vatican II (Anglican) translation in the Missals received a lot of criticism as well. The words (hallowed, wherefore, vouchsafe, etc.) sounded good though even though no one understood them. Don’t forget those older translations were used in the transitional Mass in the 60’s and obviously failed as Catholics were leaving in droves.

If there’s any problem with the Latin, it’s the lack of exposure IMO.
I disagree. Like my post said, its not about the translation. Entire sections of the Tridentine Rite are simply removed from the Novus Ordo. Removal does not equal translation.
 
Entire sections of the Tridentine Rite are simply removed from the Novus Ordo.
We get that. But parts of it were already removed in 1965, including the ad orientem position. Did you like the 1967 Mass?
 
We get that. But parts of it were already removed in 1965, including the ad orientem position. Did you like the 1967 Mass?
I’m sure the justifications for those removals are present. I believe that’s referring to the John XXIII edits? If thats so (its early and I’m tired, doing this strictly from what I can recall) then I believe those parts were removed because they were under scrutiny as to whether or not their initial addition was an organic evolution of the liturgy?

If thats true, and I am recalling that correctly, than I have no problem with those removals.

But the removal of the huge sections of the Tridentine Mass I’m referring to, is the removal of ancient prayers we KNOW have organically evolved in the liturgy for centuries. Much of those prayers, are also derived from the psalms, which are even older.

It is that void, not the ad orientum or decor of the altar, that leaves the Novus Ordo seemingly disconnected with the vast majority of tradition that precedes it.
 
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