Has anyone ever heard this quote from William Buckley about the vernacular Mass replacing Latin? I thought it was hysterical!

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"As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.

Incidentally, the modern liturgists are doing a remarkably good job, attendance at Catholic Mass on Sunday having dropped sharply in the 10 years since a few well-meaning cretins got hold of the power to vernacularize the Mass, and the money to scour the earth in search of the most unmusical men and women to preside over the translation.

The next liturgical ceremony conducted primarily for my benefit, since I have no plans to be beatified or remarried, will be my own funeral; and it is a source of great consolation to me that, at my funeral, I shall be quite dead, and will not need to listen to the accepted replacement for the noble old Latin liturgy. Meanwhile, I am practicing Yoga, so that, at church on Sundays, I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him first to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the Mass…" --from “The Remmant” 1979
 
I commend to you Buckley’s NEARER MY GOD TO THEE, esp. chap. 6, “Disruptions and Achievments of Vatican II”. Indeed, the whole book, for that matter.

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gurneyhalleck1 said:
"As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.

Incidentally, the modern liturgists are doing a remarkably good job, attendance at Catholic Mass on Sunday having dropped sharply in the 10 years since a few well-meaning cretins got hold of the power to vernacularize the Mass, and the money to scour the earth in search of the most unmusical men and women to preside over the translation.

The next liturgical ceremony conducted primarily for my benefit, since I have no plans to be beatified or remarried, will be my own funeral; and it is a source of great consolation to me that, at my funeral, I shall be quite dead, and will not need to listen to the accepted replacement for the noble old Latin liturgy. Meanwhile, I am practicing Yoga, so that, at church on Sundays, I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him first to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the Mass…" --from “The Remmant” 1979
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gurneyhalleck1 said:
" Meanwhile, I am practicing Yoga, so that, at church on Sundays, I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him first to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the Mass…" --from “The Remmant” 1979
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Ooh boy. I can really relate to that!!
 
The_Reginator said:
Ooh boy. I can really relate to that!!
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Me, too. I read this quote and laughed so hard I had tears! He NAILED IT! I have heard quotes from JRR Tokien’s son talking about how furious his father was when Vatican II ruined the Latin Mass. Tokien would continue to respond in Latin at the Mass when the Priest presiding would be speaking in English throughout. “The peace of the Lord be with you!” “Et cum spiritu tuo!” lol…His son was mortified and humiliated. I thought it was cool! :cool: Buckley and Tolkien, what a ticket! 👍
 
Thank you!!

I need to read this frequently to maintain my equilibrium.

[Gee, I miss Bill.]
 
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

that is beautifull. finally someone courageous.

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O truth, you are present to those who seek your help, and at one and the same time you answer all, though they seek your counsel on different matters. You respond clearly, but not everyone hears clearly. All ask what they wish, but do not always hear the answer they wish. Your best servant is he who is intent not so much on hearing his petition answered, as rather on willing whatever he hears from you.
St Augustine**
 
gurneyhalleck1 said:
"As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.

Incidentally, the modern liturgists are doing a remarkably good job, attendance at Catholic Mass on Sunday having dropped sharply in the 10 years since a few well-meaning cretins got hold of the power to vernacularize the Mass, and the money to scour the earth in search of the most unmusical men and women to preside over the translation.

The next liturgical ceremony conducted primarily for my benefit, since I have no plans to be beatified or remarried, will be my own funeral; and it is a source of great consolation to me that, at my funeral, I shall be quite dead, and will not need to listen to the accepted replacement for the noble old Latin liturgy. Meanwhile, I am practicing Yoga, so that, at church on Sundays, I can develop the power to tune out everything I hear, while attempting, athwart the general calisthenics, to commune with my Maker, and ask Him first to forgive me my own sins, and implore him, second, not to forgive the people who ruined the Mass…" --from “The Remmant” 1979
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HYSTERICAL!!! I can just hear Buckly saying that.
 
CradleCath said:
HYSTERICAL!!! I can just hear Buckly saying that.
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Me, too! And I can visualize him saying it with those hilarious facial expressions where his eyes grew HUGE quickly when he emphasized something then they shrank back to regular size and his eyebrows went up and down with that droll quasi-British voice. Good stuff…🙂 The “Yoga” part had me really cracking up!
 
\As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.\

**Oh, this is untrue and unfair.

H. L. Mencken was a MUCH better English stylist than ICEL.**
 
bpbasilphx said:
\As a Catholic, I have abandoned hope for the liturgy, which, in the typical American church, is as ugly and as maladroit as if it had been composed by Robert Ingersoll and H.L. Mencken for the purpose of driving people away.\

**Oh, this is untrue and unfair.

H. L. Mencken was a MUCH better English stylist than ICEL.**
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Oh lighten up, basil! I think it’s hilarious:eek:
 
Yes, but it shows something of the complexity of the man that was Buckley in that in John Judis’ biography of WFB which I read, WFB did not support the Catholic Church’s stance on birth control for some time I believe.
 
I think our Pontiff is of the same mind about the Mass, so we will see what happens…

The real push should be to return Latin into the Gradeschools and Middle schools for Study. Because that will probably be necessary as well…
 
BenjaminLumen said:
I think our Pontiff is of the same mind about the Mass, so we will see what happens…

The real push should be to return Latin into the Gradeschools and Middle schools for Study. Because that will probably be necessary as well…
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I do hope he is!! He’s got a huge responsibility on his shoulders… needs our prayers more than ever.
 
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