Has anyone here visited Lambeth Palace - home of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

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GKC, what I hear from people here (and other places, admittedly) is that Henry VIII started his own religion in England for the purpose of his desired divorce, thus causing an excommunicated nation, as it were, and the rise of Protestantism. Additionally, this new heretical church took away all things that belonged to Rome and made it illegal to be Catholic.

Oi vey.

We both know how complicated this history is - especially during the actual break of power.

Are you willing to give us something in bullet points that clears up misconceptions? I am especially interested in the concept that the English Church has been ongoing from the beginning.

Thanks so much. Your contribution here is invaluable.
 
ComplineSanFran said:
GKC, what I hear from people here (and other places, admittedly) is that Henry VIII started his own religion in England for the purpose of his desired divorce, thus causing an excommunicated nation, as it were, and the rise of Protestantism. Additionally, this new heretical church took away all things that belonged to Rome and made it illegal to be Catholic.

Oi vey.

We both know how complicated this history is - especially during the actual break of power.

Are you willing to give us something in bullet points that clears up misconceptions? I am especially interested in the concept that the English Church has been ongoing from the beginning.

Thanks so much. Your contribution here is invaluable.
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Your kindness is noted. I’ve done Horny Hank here for many years. And a few side trips into the world of the early Church in the Isles, pre-Augustine. Not including Jospeh of Arimethea and that line of legend.

I don’t cover all your points, above. That would take, at this point returning to the books. I probably won’t. But if you’ve been in the Lambeth Library, likely you can fill in some gaps.

It’s complicated. I’m tired.

I will check over the archives. Ask a question or two to spur me. If I’ve posted on it before, I’ll dig it out. If possible.

And, of course, decree of nullity.
 
Hopefully to add to the confusion while GKC gets a bit of sleep, Lambeth Palace was also the home of the last RC Archbishop of Canterbury, Cardinal Pole, who lived and died there: and that was more than ten years after Henry VIII’s death. So, yes, a bit more complicated than ‘Henry started a new religion’ or ‘Henry grabbed the property’.
 
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Hopefully to add to the confusion while GKC gets a bit of sleep, Lambeth Palace was also the home of the last RC Archbishop of Canterbury, Cardinal Pole, who lived and died there: and that was more than ten years after Henry VIII’s death. So, yes, a bit more complicated than ‘Henry started a new religion’ or ‘Henry grabbed the property’.
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now that is interesting history. so Pole was the RC Archbishop after Wolsey? Who was the first Anglican archbishop to reside at Lambeth Palace then? I know Henry loved his Catholic faith and that is why the liturgy of the Anglican communion so closely follows the Catholic Mass. Once Henry died and after Queen Mary it became more protestant.
 
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now that is interesting history. so Pole was the RC Archbishop after Wolsey? Who was the first Anglican archbishop to reside at Lambeth Palace then? I know Henry loved his Catholic faith and that is why the liturgy of the Anglican communion so closely follows the Catholic Mass. Once Henry died and after Queen Mary it became more protestant.
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Depends who you think the first Anglican archbishop was. But Pole succeeded Archbishop Cranmer, the day after the Catholic authorities burned Cranmer to death at the stake.
 
Peter_J said:
1533

Not sure what you mean, but okay. 🙂
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If you’re not sure what I meant, it shortens the reply. I know of no time prior to 1533, when the See of Canterbury was not in communion with Rome. The See having been established when Augustine was consecrated.
 
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Depends who you think the first Anglican archbishop was. But Pole succeeded Archbishop Cranmer, the day after the Catholic authorities burned Cranmer to death at the stake.
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And Wolsey wasn’t Canterbury, but York. And a few other places, too. Yes, I know you know, just adding texture here.
 
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Depends who you think the first Anglican archbishop was. But Pole succeeded Archbishop Cranmer, the day after the Catholic authorities burned Cranmer to death at the stake.
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Again, adding stuff. Pole, as Mary’s main adviser, was central in the decision on what to do with Church property that had been laicized and sold to the rising wealthy class. After much thought, no attempt was made to recover that. And no such discussion was necessary over the ecclesiastical property, churches and such. It was accepted that they belonged to the Church in England, and hadn’t changed ownership. Just had changed management, and was now back under the old ones.
 
Picky_Picky said:
Depends who you think the first Anglican archbishop was. But Pole succeeded Archbishop Cranmer, the day after the Catholic authorities burned Cranmer to death at the stake.
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you said Pole was RC which I don’t understand if he followed Cranmer.
 
GKC said:
Again, adding stuff. Pole, as Mary’s main adviser, was central in the decision on what to do with Church property that had been laicized and sold to the rising wealthy class. After much thought, no attempt was made to recover that. And no such discussion was necessary over the ecclesiastical property, churches and such. It was accepted that they belonged to the Church in England, and hadn’t changed ownership. Just had changed management, and was now back under the old ones.
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oh that is right - Mary. those were complicated days in England.
so Wolsey was Archbishop of York - not Canterbury or he was from York?
 
7_Sorrows said:
oh that is right - Mary. those were complicated days in England.
so Wolsey was Archbishop of York - not Canterbury or he was from York?
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Wolsey was Archbishop of York, from 1514. And, at times after that, was also holding the Sees of Bath and Wells, Durham, and Winchester. Holding multiple chairs was a problem in the day. But he never held Canterbury.
 
GKC said:
Wolsey was Archbishop of York, from 1514. And, at times after that, was also holding the Sees of Bath and Wells, Durham, and Winchester. Holding multiple chairs was a problem in the day. But he never held Canterbury.
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he had a lot of power though. who was archbishop of Canterbury at this time?
 
7_Sorrows said:
you said Pole was RC which I don’t understand if he followed Cranmer.
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And he was not only RC, he was buried at Canterbury Cathedral. And his mother and Hank’s mother, were cousins.

Remember that the Church in England was back in communion with Rome, during Mary’s reign.
 
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he had a lot of power though. who was archbishop of Canterbury at this time?
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William Warham, followed by Cranmer, followed by Pole.

Wolsey fell from Henry’s favor, over his failure to successfully manage Hank’s Great Matter (the decree of nullity), in 1529. Lost power and his wealth, and would likely have lost his freedom/life, had he not met a timely natural death in 1530.
 
Which groups? Quakers? Methodists? Levelers? Ranters? Diggers? Just curious as I find this period in English history fascinating.
 
Sometimes my reputation exceeds me. I’m not well into this point, my main focus being on Hank’s Great Matter, the impediment/dispensation/nullity system and how it grew and was used in the day, some personalities and straightforward history in which that dance was embedded, and some extra yardage on both sides, chronologically. I likely have, in the 350+ Tudor era and environs related books, material related to this. But it is not at my fingertips.

Still, one can certainly affirm your final paragraph.
 
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