Has anyone seen this method of distibuting Communion?

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I attended Mass yesterday at my neighborhood parish which I don’t typically frequent. Towards the end of Communion, one of the EMHCs came to the back of the church to distribute to a disabled woman at her seat. Instead of placing the Host in her hand or mouth however, he handed her a small golden container with the Host inside. She took the Host out, placed it in her mouth and then put the container in her purse. It appears that she had some sort of prior arrangement, but is this normal? The OCD/Insanely scrupulous traditionalist in me kept thinking about how she was going to purify the container, if at all. In the end I decided to put it out of my mind and keep my mouth shut (not that I would know how to address it anyway, especially since I don’t know if this is generally acceptable or done with the approval of the priest). Has anyone seen anything like this before? Is it kosher (ha, see what I did there? ;)) under Church rules. Thanks.
 
The small golden container is called a pyx. I have seen them distributed by the priest to EMHCs taking communion to the sick, and also I have seen them used to store gluten free hosts, but I have not seen them used in the way you describe.
 
I attended Mass yesterday at my neighborhood parish which I don’t typically frequent. Towards the end of Communion, one of the EMHCs came to the back of the church to distribute to a disabled woman at her seat. Instead of placing the Host in her hand or mouth however, he handed her a small golden container with the Host inside. She took the Host out, placed it in her mouth and then put the container in her purse. It appears that she had some sort of prior arrangement, but is this normal? The OCD/Insanely scrupulous traditionalist in me kept thinking about how she was going to purify the container, if at all. In the end I decided to put it out of my mind and keep my mouth shut (not that I would know how to address it anyway, especially since I don’t know if this is generally acceptable or done with the approval of the priest). Has anyone seen anything like this before? Is it kosher (ha, see what I did there? ;)) under Church rules. Thanks.
Yes, this can be perfectly appropriate. When one is dealing with those who are ill, there is a great deal of flexibility that is afforded to the sacramental minister to accommodate medical situations – even, for example, the application of the Oil of the Sick through the use of a stylus or other instrument.

I can think of several scenarios that might be at play here – but I see no reason to go through them here.

If the Extraordinary Minister brought to her the pyx, that is her own, with a Host that had been consecrated in it, then obviously provision has been made with her parish priest.

It is not a matter for you to address since
  1. you do not know the provisions of the liturgical norms
  2. you are not an official of the diocese
  3. you do not know – nor do you need to know – the health situation of this person, which is properly personal and private
  4. you do not know – nor do you need to know – the arrangements between the parish priest and his parishioner any more than she has a prerogative to intrude into pastoral provisions or concessions that the pastor may make in your regard
As a priest, if someone asks me a general question touching upon liturgy and theology, I give an answer…if, on the other hand, the question concerned the personal situation of a specific parishioner and provision made to facilitate their participation in the sacraments, the answer is much shorter: “How does that in any way concern you?”
 
Yes, this can be perfectly appropriate. When one is dealing with those who are ill, there is a great deal of flexibility that is afforded to the sacramental minister to accommodate medical situations – even, for example, the application of the Oil of the Sick through the use of a stylus or other instrument.

I can think of several scenarios that might be at play here – but I see no reason to go through them here.

If the Extraordinary Minister brought to her the pyx, that is her own, with a Host that had been consecrated in it, then obviously provision has been made with her parish priest.

It is not a matter for you to address since
  1. you do not know the provisions of the liturgical norms
  2. you are not an official of the diocese
  3. you do not know – nor do you need to know – the health situation of this person, which is properly personal and private
  4. you do not know – nor do you need to know – the arrangements between the parish priest and his parishioner any more than she has a prerogative to intrude into pastoral provisions or concessions that the pastor may make in your regard
As a priest, if someone asks me a general question touching upon liturgy and theology, I give an answer…if, on the other hand, the question concerned the personal situation of a specific parishioner and provision made to facilitate their participation in the sacraments, the answer is much shorter: “How does that in any way concern you?”
Thank you for the response. I struggle quite a bit with scrupulosity, so even small things often send my mind wandering about my responsibilities and whether inaction may be sinful. As I noted, I resisted my urge mainly for the reasons that you describe, and had no true intentions of intruding on the personal affair of another. She only got a mention because hers is the incident that triggered my question.
 
In our parish that method is used for someone with a gluten aiiergy who can not come up to recieve CCommunion. I do not know if that is the case there.
 
Yes, this can be perfectly appropriate. When one is dealing with those who are ill, there is a great deal of flexibility that is afforded to the sacramental minister to accommodate medical situations – even, for example, the application of the Oil of the Sick through the use of a stylus or other instrument.

I can think of several scenarios that might be at play here – but I see no reason to go through them here.

If the Extraordinary Minister brought to her the pyx, that is her own, with a Host that had been consecrated in it, then obviously provision has been made with her parish priest.

It is not a matter for you to address since
  1. you do not know the provisions of the liturgical norms
  2. you are not an official of the diocese
  3. you do not know – nor do you need to know – the health situation of this person, which is properly personal and private
  4. you do not know – nor do you need to know – the arrangements between the parish priest and his parishioner any more than she has a prerogative to intrude into pastoral provisions or concessions that the pastor may make in your regard
As a priest, if someone asks me a general question touching upon liturgy and theology, I give an answer…if, on the other hand, the question concerned the personal situation of a specific parishioner and provision made to facilitate their participation in the sacraments, the answer is much shorter: “How does that in any way concern you?”
Father, I understand what you are saying, but I am trying to understand why this does not fall under the realm of self communing. I am not trying to argue or say the original situation is wrong, but trying to understand if the transfer of the pyx is somehow different from me being handed the ciborium and removing a consecrated host myself. I was always taught that the host should not be taken directly from the vessel and consumed by anyone that could not consecrate the Eucharist.

I’m really just thinking in cases of generalities of when is it considered to be self communing. For instance if an EMHC said “body of Christ” while proffering the host in a ciborium, is it licit for the communicant to remove the host themself? At what point does it go from being giving the sacred species to taking it? I’m just trying to understand the essential of self communion and what is licit in special circumstances.
 
Father, I understand what you are saying, but I am trying to understand why this does not fall under the realm of self communing. I am not trying to argue or say the original situation is wrong, but trying to understand if the transfer of the pyx is somehow different from me being handed the ciborium and removing a consecrated host myself. I was always taught that the host should not be taken directly from the vessel and consumed by anyone that could not consecrate the Eucharist.

I’m really just thinking in cases of generalities of when is it considered to be self communing. For instance if an EMHC said “body of Christ” while proffering the host in a ciborium, is it licit for the communicant to remove the host themself? At what point does it go from being giving the sacred species to taking it? I’m just trying to understand the essential of self communion and what is licit in special circumstances.
If you were taught absolutely that the Host could never be taken directly from the sacred vessel and consumed by anyone that could not confect the Eucharist, that would be incorrect, actually, for a number of reasons. In your case, for example, a Deacon would indeed self-communicate, if he is the presider at a Communion service or at a Sunday Celebration in the Absence of a Priest, among various other situations.

In this case, I presume we are talking about a situation in which the judgement was arrived at that this method presented, on whatever basis or determination, a reduced medical risk to the person sufficient to justify this method.

I have had it happen where there was a high level of infection control with a contagious patient and I decided that the person would pick up and consume the single Host from the pyx himself (the pyx being subsequently sterilised) rather than my using a gloved hand to administer the Host…the latter would be more theologically and liturgically problematic.

Whether a person has an extreme compromise of the immune system and that is the reason to proceed thus or they are contagious and that is the reason to proceed thus (which in this case would be unlikely) or there is an extreme sensitivity of some sort and there is an effort to avoid even slight cross contamination and that is the reason to proceed thus or there are other equally plausible clinical scenarios, would be nothing more than idle speculation since I do not know either the clinical situation – or, for that matter, the history involving this person.

If, for example, a person suffered a medical episode as a result of some confusion on the part of one or more persons previously, I can certainly envision a situation in which that would be obviated in the future by the person herself preparing the low Gluten host in a sealed and distinctive pyx, which I consecrated at the Mass, and returned to her directly or via one of the other ministers of Holy Communion for her to receive the consecrated Host using her own hand rather than any hand that had touched other Hosts.

You could not, however, extrapolate from a situation where you are in a exceptional circumstance – and that of an extreme application for a medical reason – that you could then extend that to a general situation, such as you describe with the ciborium and the taking of Hosts by communicants at Mass; the situations are not comparable.

When it came to the application of an extraordinary provision, typically it was less that I made the call and more that the physician did so…or at least prescribed what could and could not be medically tolerated and then, out of what was deemed medically tolerable, I had to act based on what options the norms allowed or at least made a provision for.

This is something you should study when you have a sacramental practicum involving a clinical rotation in a critical care setting.
 
Does anyone remember the tv show “Father knows best?”

Why are people always questioning and no longer just taking priests at their word anymore? 😦
 
Does anyone remember the tv show “Father knows best?”

Why are people always questioning and no longer just taking priests at their word anymore? 😦
I don’t see anyone questioning whether or not he is correct, just asking for clarification. That is kind of the point of a discussion. But to answer your question more broadly, unfortunately many times priests don’t provide the right answers. I once had the pastor of my former parish tell me that cohabitation prior to marriage and sleeping in the same bed was a “personal decision”. In the same conversation he stated that he “applauded” a local rabbi who was willing to perform gay marriages. To be clear, I am not saying that Don Ruggero is ever wrong in his advice, but the provided example is an idea of why some might be reluctant to accept advice just based on one’s priestly ordination.
 
Many people, mostly those who are disabled or have any other special circumstance have the eucharist given to them in a different special way.
 
I serve at the Altar in an Eastern Catholic Church.

We use leavened, not unleavened, bread, and the priest drops the Eucharist into the open mouth (late in our Anaphora, all is combined in the cup).

So we always receive under both species; it’s unavoidable (well, almost–infants generally only receive the Blood [and that’s why infant Communion ended in the west, but that’s another story])

Generally, our idea of an “extraordinary Eucharistic Minister” is in “out of the ordinary course” rather than “non-ordained”. That is, when needed, a deacon can help.

Anyway, our parish does use latin hosts when needed. We use them for practical reasons for Communion outside the Liturgy for the sick, for those with some allergies, alcoholics, and probably more.

I don’t know why for who, and I don’t ask: I just hand the extra vessel to Father when he needs it. Why he needs it is just plain none of my business.
 
Father, I understand what you are saying, but I am trying to understand why this does not fall under the realm of self communing. I am not trying to argue or say the original situation is wrong, but trying to understand if the transfer of the pyx is somehow different from me being handed the ciborium and removing a consecrated host myself. I was always taught that the host should not be taken directly from the vessel and consumed by anyone that could not consecrate the Eucharist.

I’m really just thinking in cases of generalities of when is it considered to be self communing. For instance if an EMHC said “body of Christ” while proffering the host in a ciborium, is it licit for the communicant to remove the host themself? At what point does it go from being giving the sacred species to taking it? I’m just trying to understand the essential of self communion and what is licit in special circumstances.
Yes, it is self-communing. Yes, it is prohibited by liturgical law.

Sometimes we have to apply the principle that “the law does not apply in an impossible situation.” Allow me a moment…

For a while (previous parish) I had a parishioner who had a very severe mental issue. He could not have contact with any person other than his immediate family, or someone he already knew very well (literally years). If he had (even the slightest) contact with any other person, he would scream and run away and have a “tantrum.” I am trying to express this in a brief post. I mean this with all respect to him. He had mental issues. It was not just a personal preference. The only way he could receive Communion was that I would place a Host on a paten and hold out the paten at arm’s length. Even that was achieved with much effort. At first, I had to hand the paten to one of his parents who then gave it to him.

Now, I don’t know what is happening in the OP’s situation. My point here is to illustrate that there can be a situation when there is no other way to distribute Communion to someone and still operate within the rubrics. It can (and does) happen.

If a priest is in a situation where he has to decide between violating the rubrics or denying someone (who is otherwise eligible) the opportunity to receive Communion, the good of the person is the higher value.
 
Thank you, Frs David and Ruggero, for providing additional clarification. As I said, I was trying to understand if there was a fundamental difference or if it was simply a matter of pastoral need taking precedent over norms in extraordinary circumstances (and I mean that as “outside the ordinary” and not “unusual” or “remarkable”). This has helped me mentally frame such situations in the appropriate context.
 
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