Has Benedict XVI disposed of the CCC?

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JKirkLVNV said:
Likewise, to criticize the pastoral staff used by the last 3 pontiffs on the same ground (it’s “modern”) would be equally illogical. It depicts Christ Crucified, the essence of Catholicism. You’re quite right, “modern” or “contemporary” does not mean automatically mean bad.

I think what AJV was saying was that the pastoral staff’s use by the pontiff as REGULARLY as it has come to be is a modern or contemporary usage, not that it is a bad one.
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I think he meant that, too, and I was honestly hoping so. There are a few on the forum who equate modern with inferior. This is an instance where it is not a bad thing to recognize the times and the powerful opportunity that the media provides.
 
Scott1 said:
I rather liked JPII’s crosier… and like me, Pope Benedict saw it as something more than a “fashion statement”:

“He always spoke them with unbending firmness, first brandishing his crosier crowned with a Crucifix and then, when his physical energy was ebbing away, almost clinging to it until that last Good Friday, when he took part in the Way of the Cross in his private Chapel, gripping the Cross tightly in his arms. We cannot forget his last and silent testimony of love for Jesus.”
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It’s a wonderful crucifix. Pope Paul VI also used it. Some of the criticism it has received here is quite unearned.
 
Dauphin said:
I don’t think it’s beautiful at all, but I think it’s a magnificent piece of art. It points in such a profound way to the mystery of the resurrection, to this miraculous act in which death was conquered by the power of the living Christ. It’s a terribly ugly thing, but a great reminder of the salvation wrought for us.
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So true.
 
brotherhrolf said:
Folks, it wasn’t JPII’s cross. It was the cross of Paul VI’s in the “spirit of Vatican II”. I am glad to see a return to something far more traditional.
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No. While it was Pope Paul VI’s crucifix, it’s hardly less “traditional” than the one Pope Benedict now carries.
 
saint_rafael said:
Yes he has thank God. The new cross is the one Pope Puis IX used. Traditionally, Popes have used crosses as staffs. Slowly, Pope Benedict is bringing in some tradition.

The Crooked Creepy Crucifix should make Catholics shudder. It’s weird and Crooked Crucifixes have generally been used by Satanists over the centuries for mocking.
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:hypno:
 
JKirkLVNV said:
Likewise, to criticize the pastoral staff used by the last 3 pontiffs on the same ground (it’s “modern”) would be equally illogical. It depicts Christ Crucified, the essence of Catholicism. You’re quite right, “modern” or “contemporary” does not mean automatically mean bad.

I think what AJV was saying was that the pastoral staff’s use by the pontiff as REGULARLY as it has come to be is a modern or contemporary usage, not that it is a bad one.
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Now really folks, I especially liked the one St. Peter used. It had modern lines, but old tradition. I think it was a wooden staff. Can anyone criticize that? :love:
 
Pope John Paul II, of blessed memory, had a beautiful crucifix on his staff. It recalled the Passion of our Lord more realisticly. By carrying this staff, he “preached Christ crucified” just as St. Paul did. He called all to realize that our faith is a faith built on the truth that Christ died for our sins and that to live in Christ one need die to himself just as Christ did. I am a traditional and orthodox as any traditionalist Catholic but some of the criticizims I see here are simpy ridiculous some times.
 
This is absurd. Sure you might think it ugly, but that’s all it can possibly be. I really don’t see the problem with this cross, I consider myself fairly traditional and I wear a replica of that crucifix while attending the traditional mass.

I really enjoy the simplicity of the cross, looking more like 2 intersecting branches rather than a perfectly cut piece of wood. It reminds me of the humility of His sacrifice because it shows that our Lord was literally nailed to a tree.
 
Spiller said:
No. While it was Pope Paul VI’s crucifix, it’s hardly less “traditional” than the one Pope Benedict now carries.
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Perhaps you weren’t around when this cross was introduced. I was. I would hardly call it traditional. But that’s OK. “I’m OK; you’re OK, lets just focus on the Eucharist”.
 
Lepanto said:
Some claim that JP2’s crucifix was based on a design by St. John of the Cross (which doesn’t neccessarily mean much), but I never liked it.

JP2’s crucifix definitely looks like a relic of 1960s/1970s “art” design. I always found it grotesque, just like this monstrosity:

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B16’s cross is infinitely more beautiful, although I do wish it included a corpus.

(BTW, I have nothing against bloody, realistic crucifixes, but ugly is ugly!)
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Oh my gosh, is that UGLY!
 
i didn’t like it either. i know our Blessed Lord’s Passion was not pleasant, however that crucifix was plain ugly. Glad that Benedict used a more traditional one in the USA.
 
CB_Catholic said:
When you think about it, the Crucifixion of Christ was creepy and crooked, and ugly. But sometimes we don’t want to think about it. I like the “crooked” Crucifix. It reminds me more of Christ’s suffering. But everybody has their own taste.
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👍

We have to keep in mind that the crucifixion itself was creepy, crooked and gross. The Romans intended for it to be as horrible as possible and this, I think, is what Blessed Pope John Paul II was trying to convey.

I think that Pope Bendict XVI is working toward showing His flock the beauty of Church tradition.

There is no way to say which Crucifix is better. They both are beautiful symbols of Christ’s sacrifice for us as we learn to love and respect one another.
 
East_and_West said:
Pope John Paul II, of blessed memory, had a beautiful crucifix on his staff. It recalled the Passion of our Lord more realistically. By carrying this staff, he “preached Christ crucified” just as St. Paul did. He called all to realize that our faith is a faith built on the truth that Christ died for our sins and that to live in Christ one need die to himself just as Christ did. I am a traditional and orthodox as any traditionalist Catholic but some of the criticizims I see here are simply ridiculous some times.
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So true!

(Some are also quite offensive.)
 
stuart12 said:
i didn’t like it either. i know our Blessed Lord’s Passion was not pleasant, however that crucifix was plain ugly. Glad that Benedict used a more traditional one in the USA.
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“Ugly” to you perhaps. Not to others.

It’s not “more traditional” – just different.
 
The Cross used by + Pope John Paul II originally came from Pope Paul VI…

I do prefer the current one although it could be a touch smaller…

james
 
Well, thank goodness! When I read the topic, I thought perhaps someone was suggesting that the Holy Father had decided to do away with the Catechism of the Catholic Church! :eek:
 
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