You are certainly misunderstanding. All who go to heaven will do so because of the Catholic Church. Why? Because Jesus made it so. They may have belonged to a Baptist Church, A Morman Church, or have been a Budist but in Heaven they will realize their error and all will belong to the Church Jesus established. The One Holy and Catholic Church. You are being to narrow in your definition of what Catholic is.
This is really, really shocking and upsetting to see. Not you in particular, but the sheer number of Catholics who hold to this kind of thinking which I’m seeing in this thread. I’m really disheartened.
You have correctly identified the danger of believing everyone goes to heaven.
Rich, anyone who is not in hell forever is saved. I was never arguing “post after post” about the few or the many. I was just stating the Church’s position.
I understand the position with perfect clarity. I also understand that people are giving their own views of what they think are the Church’s views.
I think you may have a very confused understanding of Heaven, Jesus, the Church, God, etc. I hope you don’t take offense at this but rather I hope to root out the cause of this confusion so we can all come to mutual consensus instead of chasing endless confusions like we seem to be doing.
Your right there will only be the Church that Jesus established.
I am not a topic. And I’m done answering posts directed at me instead of the topic. I’ll just start reporting them in future.
I thought I did a pretty good job of that throughout this entire thread, actually. But I guess not. Oh well. I just had a baby yesterday so I’m going to stop wasting my time with people who seem to just like to argue without actually using reason or logic.
Congratulations!
DItto. How exciting :extrahappy:Congratulations!
I wish you and your little one every blessing in the Lord. You are both in my prayers.
Yes, Congratulations and all best prayers and good wishes for you both and all the family!Congratulations!
I wish you and your little one every blessing in the Lord. You are both in my prayers.
Don’t be. It’s an accurate description of church teaching. You should be happy that salvation is availabe to all who want it. Besides, you need to tend to your little one.
There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church. She alone is “necessary for salvation” and this is unchangeable.
Many people translate the Latin phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus as “Outside the Church there is no salvation.” This translation does not seem entirely faithful to the Latin meaning, and contributes to the misunderstanding of the phrase.I’m new to the faith, so I’m grateful for your opinions here.:angel1:
Is it possible to go so far in welcoming dialogue with other faiths that we lose the “No Salvation outside the Church” tradition? Or has that tradition changed, or the way we interpret that teaching?
I realize that the Church recognizes that some people, not having been raised in the Catholic faith, may attain Heaven because they are basically following the consciences that God gave them, etc. and leading good lives. I’m concerned to see that some, not all Catholics, believe that The Church is going overboard in this area of ecumenism.
I haven’t formed an opinion on this yet, as I’m a fairly new:blush: adult convert (since 2004.) Are any of you concerned that there has been a real theological shift in the way that The Church/Vatican, The Holy Father is interacting with leaders (and people of) other faiths?
Occasionally, I will see websites claiming that we should extend a welcoming hand to people of other faiths, but that we no longer are teaching the idea of “No Salvation outside the Church,” and are instead sounding as if we are saying that there is little difference between* any* people of good faith. Is this true? On the other hand, is this a good or bad thing, stressing our similarities rather than our differences?:grouphug:
Not having been raised in the Catholic Faith, I don’t know how others here feel about this. Has there been a huge change since Vatican II in how we address this issue or not? Have teachings changed on how we approach the issue of “No salvation outside the Church?”
I appreciate your wisdom here, and have no personal agenda. I just wonder if the Church is teaching something new, in the opinion of people here who have been Catholics much longer than myself.
Gratefully,
Kathryn Ann:heaven:
