Has God had Enough?

[oppositeman]

Any good parent occasionally has to put their “foot down”.

Take an honest look at the world; peoples and their governments divided and distrusting one another; and the weather around the world becoming increasingly severe. In the past several years “superbugs” have appeared; and are resistant to all known antibiotics. The world is full of people who don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect them; the vast majority of us think nothing of it. How the world has changed for the worse in the past 50 years.

How long do you think it will be until God punishes us for our 3 great sins – abortion, immorality, and materialism?

The Blessed Mother of Jesus Christ spoke to 4 children at Garabandal, Spain [unapproved apparition – Mother Theresa of Calcutta and Padre Pio both believed it to be authentic] in 1961 of a time in the near future when God would chastise His children and give them a warning [also known as the illumination of conscience where God would force us to “see” our sins] if they did not change their sinful behavior.

Does is seem to you that God’s has begun putting His “Foot Down”?

 

[InLight247]

This world is definitely on its way to destruction. The priest in this morning Mass mentioned that Air Force Academy is considering removing ‘God’ from oath. More and more outrageous things happen everyday. We need to pray hard for the conversion of the sinners. Like our Blessed Mother revealed in several approved apparitions, we must pray fervently often.

Our Lady of Akita, October 13, 1973 - approved apparition

“As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. The only arms which will remain for you will be the Rosary and the Sign left by My Son. Each day recite the prayers of the** Rosary.** With the Rosary, pray for the Pope, the bishops and priests.”

 

[TheresaLS]

Has God had enough??? Good question and each day I pray that if He has I am ready for whatever He has planned. I do know, that to put up with us He must have a sense of humor and great patience. He is Father…and I wish that many of our clergy, including the hierarchy would remember that “title” as they put foot to floor each morning.

Our Father has given us each “an assignment” and I would hope and encourage our priests to remind us, frequently, of that because it seems at times that all we are is an envelope to the Church.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The way I see it, it isn’t God punishing us, but the world moving away from God’s protection and the consequence is what we see happening.

We are in a fallen state and being such, we have disasters, wars, sickness and death. When we move closer to God, these things ease up, when we move away, they become worse.

It is the consequence of sin and we live in a sinful world.

I see more and more young people who have no belief in God whatsoever, nor do they even attempt to know if God is real.

Yet, they’re quick to embrace movies and books which include the occult, witchcraft and other dark forces, even though they just believe that these things are just fantasy and have no real impact on them. However, they do. Little by little, their conscience is formed toward accepting that evil is not necessarily evil and good, is in fact bad. It’s why they reject the Church so intensely.

St Teresa of Avila lived through a very dark period in the Church, and her response to her sisters was, “in times of crisis, we must become better Christians.”

I see the answer being the same today. We, must become better Catholics, and Pope Francis is giving us the example of what a good Catholic actually is.

Jim

 

[Tempelritter]

The world - and in particular, Christendom - is moving on an inexorable path of moral decay and degeneracy, facilitated by rampant progressivism and secularism. So yes, as humanity becomes more evil, for lack of a better world, signs that Tribulation is on its way will become commonplace.

 

[the]

When was the “good” time when those things weren’t happening?

 

[fred_conty]

Two things I have noticed since I was a young person. The morals have degenerated in our society. And how weapons have developed and can destroy most if not all the world. Bad combination.

That is why you and are I here, to pray constantly for God’s forgiveness and grace for others. That is our mission with Christ’s, to help save the world. That is a wonderful thing to think about…the trust Jesus has placed in our hands. Just to think that we might and can be saviours with him so that people will go to heaven and save the world because of Jesus working thru us. What a terrific idea God gave to us. Let’s pray that we live up to that.

Nineveh was spared.

God bless us one and all.

 

[oppositeman]

This world is definitely on its way to destruction. The priest in this morning Mass mentioned that Air Force Academy is considering removing ‘God’ from oath. More and more outrageous things happen everyday. We need to pray hard for the conversion of the sinners. Like our Blessed Mother revealed in several approved apparitions, we must pray fervently often.

Our Lady of Akita, October 13, 1973 - approved apparition

thanks for an approved apparition - I should have included that - it adds an added dimension

 

[oppositeman]

The way I see it, it isn’t God punishing us, but the world moving away from God’s protection and the consequence is what we see happening.

We are in a fallen state and being such, we have disasters, wars, sickness and death. When we move closer to God, these things ease up, when we move away, they become worse.

It is the consequence of sin and we live in a sinful world.

I see more and more young people who have no belief in God whatsoever, nor do they even attempt to know if God is real.

Yet, they’re quick to embrace movies and books which include the occult, witchcraft and other dark forces, even though they just believe that these things are just fantasy and have no real impact on them. However, they do. Little by little, their conscience is formed toward accepting that evil is not necessarily evil and good, is in fact bad. It’s why they reject the Church so intensely.

St Teresa of Avila lived through a very dark period in the Church, and her response to her sisters was, “in times of crisis, we must become better Christians.”

I see the answer being the same today. We, must become better Catholics, and Pope Francis is giving us the example of what a good Catholic actually is.

Jim

you say - “When we move closer to God, these things ease up, when we move away, they become worse.”

yes - when we repent and do our best to change our sinful ways things will get better.

 

[oppositeman]

Two things I have noticed since I was a young person. The morals have degenerated in our society. And how weapons have developed and can destroy most if not all the world. Bad combination.

That is why you and are I here, to pray constantly for God’s forgiveness and grace for others. That is our mission with Christ’s, to help save the world. That is a wonderful thing to think about…the trust Jesus has placed in our hands. Just to think that we might and can be saviours with him so that people will go to heaven and save the world because of Jesus working thru us. What a terrific idea God gave to us. Let’s pray that we live up to that.

Nineveh was spared.

God bless us one and all.

Amen Fred

 

[JimR-OCDS]

you say - “When we move closer to God, these things ease up, when we move away, they become worse.”

yes - when we repent and do our best to change our sinful ways things will get better.

When we turn to God, he blesses us with his grace and our faith grows, In faith, we have the spiritual fortitude to avoid sin.

A person in sin, can not move closer to God, unless they repent.

On our own, we can not grow in holiness which God desires. Anyone who thinks they can, are disillusioned.

Jim

 

[Pat_Albertson]

Threads like these fill my head with contradictory thoughts. On the one hand, I understand where the OP is coming from, yet on the other hand I hear the voices of people I respect saying that God has a plan for this world. I wish I knew in detail what that plan was, but I don’t. Sometimes I despair and think there is nothing more than what we see around us. Since I was an atheist for many years, it is easy for me to think that way, yet other times things seem to start looking up a little and I seem to catch a ray of hope, and, once in a rare while, even a hint of heaven.

Lately I’ve been trying to get back into prayer, but I haven’t been able. I thought I was going to go to church yesterday, but I ended up not going.

I have problems keeping things clean and problems with depression and unemployment. I have lost some weight, so the floor is not quite as much foreign territory as it once was. I have also gotten my blood sugar pretty much under control too, so that’s something.

My dear little old cat is not potty trained any more, and the carpet of this apartment is in terrible shape. I am trying to clean it up, and I work until my back aches and I have a headache, but it still smells pretty bad in here (lots of ammonia). Right now it seems like she’s sick with a blockage or something and I sense another vet bill in the not too distant future.

My apartment lease is up for renewal and they seem interested in having me stay, but I fear they might not if they actually knew what kind of shape the carpet in this apartment is in. I fear being kicked out; I feel like I ought to be.

I probably shouldn’t have posted these things in this thread since they’re more personal than the idea that God has had enough, but I do feel a little better now.

Please pray for me, I need all the help I can get.

I need to get back to prayers that engage me with God, to go to mass, to go to confession, to keep working on my carpet, to help my kitty, to find a job, to continue with my weight loss, and too many other things to mention. Personally, I don’t see how I matter in this world or how I can possibly figure in God’s plans, but somehow I feel better (or at least more honest with myself) for having confessed this.

I will pray to overcome these problems, pray for the other people on Catholic Answers Forum, and pray that God reveals His plans in more detail.

 

[oppositeman]

Pat - I have 2 thoughts - I believe that God’s plan is leading to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ - the beginning of the plan, chastisements and the division and decay of the Catholic Church, is just beginning to become apparent.

Second - It sounds to me that you are suffering purification by Christ - to make you fit for his new Kingdom on earth.

 

[Marie5890]

Im a lover of history. And I dont just mean the past 50-100 years. Global history too, not just USA/western history

The technology is different, but man is no more or less sinful now as in the past.

Sometimes we tend to romanticize the past and think that mankind was more moral “back then”…(Nothing wonderful about the morals of the Roman Empire…)

Not really.

Has God had enough? is the wrong question, IMO.

“We” may have had enough. God is much bigger than our broken natures…and shouldnt be compared to our broken nature

 

[styrgwillidar]

Any good parent occasionally has to put their “foot down”.

Take an honest look at the world; peoples and their governments divided and distrusting one another; and the weather around the world becoming increasingly severe.

No, actually the weather isn’t becoming more severe. In fact, it has become less severe the last several years.

In the past several years “superbugs” have appeared; and are resistant to all known antibiotics. The world is full of people who don’t care as long as it doesn’t affect them; the vast majority of us think nothing of it. How the world has changed for the worse in the past 50 years.

The world is also full of people who care intensely, volunteers working across the world in some if its most desperate regions to improve the growing of food, medical attention, water quality etc.

How long do you think it will be until God punishes us for our 3 great sins – abortion, immorality, and materialism?

If you will go back in the history of just the US, you will find one of the issues driving the original feminists (i.e. suffragettes) was the prevalence of abortion. You will find they saw women getting the vote as essential to fighting and eliminating abortions which they saw as imposed on women for the benefit of men.

There are huge numbers of folks who give to charity and volunteer their time. We are the most generous nation on earth, however, we are not alone in our charity. Folks all over the world devote time to assist others, give what they can to others.

The Blessed Mother of Jesus Christ spoke to 4 children at Garabandal, Spain [unapproved apparition – Mother Theresa of Calcutta and Padre Pio both believed it to be authentic] in 1961 of a time in the near future when God would chastise His children and give them a warning [also known as the illumination of conscience where God would force us to “see” our sins] if they did not change their sinful behavior.

Does is seem to you that God’s has begun putting His “Foot Down”?

No. No more so than in other eras. He said the poor would always be with us and told us to take care of each other. I don’t see this generation as any more or less giving or greedy.

I don’t think God is putting his foot down. Like any Father, He has given His children guidance to keep them safe and happy. His rules take into account our natures. The consequences logically follow from our actions of disobeying God. We are already suffering the effects of our great sin, the degeneration in society is a logical consequence of our actions. I tell my kid not to touch the stove, I might punish him if I see him still try to do it-- but its to keep him from getting burned. If he touches it and gets burned, well, that’s the consequence I was trying to prevent by warning him, I don’t punish him on top of that.

 

[oppositeman]

that would be your “take” on the world - we see things differently - one thing I will dispute is you say we are the most generous nation on earth - that has something to do with the population but what you cannot dispute are the statistics which reveal that Americans give less than 2% of their disposable income to charity. Do you think God would say Americans are generous?

 

[styrgwillidar]

that would be your “take” on the world - we see things differently - one thing I will dispute is you say we are the most generous nation on earth - that has something to do with the population but what you cannot dispute are the statistics which reveal that Americans give less than 2% of their disposable income to charity. Do you think God would say Americans are generous?

Well, I could dispute your numbers based on who’s doing the figuring.

We certainly are generous with our taxes, our support to the poor in our nation raises their standard of living above a lot of the working class around the world. A lot of government programs are charity. Now, you can argue whether government programs should replace individual charity, but the fact remains Americans have been supporting the ‘war on poverty’. Gets harder to give your money away when the government is doing it for you. What other nation’s poor have cell phones, food stamps, TVs etc. etc. etc. (Please remember, that the US defines its folks living in poverty prior to their receiving government assistance, while other nations define it by their total income including government assistance. So you can’t really compare rates between nations as they’re measurements of two different things).

But would God see the US as generous? I don’t know, but he would see each individual in this country and that among them are many good folks, God fearing, who love their neighbors and don’t buy into the sins you listed.

 

[Marie5890]

styrgwillidar:

But would God see the US as generous? I don’t know, but he would see each individual in this country and that among them are many good folks, God fearing, who love their neighbors and don’t buy into the sins you listed.

I think one of the very bad sour fruits of our extremely politically divided country is that it has many seeing in black and white and thinking America is monolitic…

You are so right that there a many many MANY good, God fearing people in the USA who do care, do step in when injustice is present etc…

But it helps many politicians win elections by enouraging a black and white thinking attitude…

 

[allyrae]

Im a lover of history. And I dont just mean the past 50-100 years. Global history too, not just USA/western history

The technology is different, but man is no more or less sinful now as in the past.

Sometimes we tend to romanticize the past and think that mankind was more moral “back then”…(Nothing wonderful about the morals of the Roman Empire…)

Not really.

Has God had enough? is the wrong question, IMO.

“We” may have had enough. God is much bigger than our broken natures…and shouldnt be compared to our broken nature

This is kind of where I’m at too. I think of the Holocaust and the other times in history where people were just mass murdered and persecuted and I don’t necessarily think we are any more or less sinful today. We just hear about it more often because it’s everywhere in the media. While I think God might be frustrated, He also knows that ever since Adam and Eve, mankind has been capable of serious sin.

 

[styrgwillidar]

I think one of the very bad sour fruits of our extremely politically divided country is that it has many seeing in black and white and thinking America is monolitic…

You are so right that there a many many MANY good, God fearing people in the USA who do care, do step in when injustice is present etc…

But it helps many politicians win elections by enouraging a black and white thinking attitude…

Well, oddly enough I’ve thought at times along the same lines as the OP. Many times in the Bible, God allows Isreal to suffer the consequences of rebelling against his guidance, ceases to protect them. And I’ve also thought- will God do the same now?

Ultimately though, I try not to lose sight of the good along with the bad and realize I can’t control anything but my corner of the world, how I act in it, how I treat others.